To ALL UNITED pilots courtesy of ALL UAX carriers and their pilots

[JoeMerchant]

I do not believe any of us (UAL) has a problem getting bumped off a jumpseat by a pilot or dispatcher that works for said airline. It's just common sense.

...You would think so, but even PCL128 says mainline pilots should have priority non-reving on express aircraft....I doubt he is alone.....

 

[eaglesview]

...You would think so, but even PCL128 says mainline pilots should have priority non-reving on express aircraft....I doubt he is alone.....

Look at your source and decide for yourself.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Look at your source and decide for yourself.

Can't argue with that.......:laugh:

 

[labbats]

I do not believe any of us (UAL) has a problem getting bumped off a jumpseat by a pilot or dispatcher that works for said airline. It's just common sense.

We've all been around long enough to know that not everyone is on board with common sense. I can honestly say that most UAL guys I commute beside to work are stand up people, however I can think of two that would never back down once given the jumpseat. They are the reason for this display of hostility.

 

[Poahi]

I can honestly say that most UAL guys I commute beside to work are stand up people, ....

Agreed. The UAL pilots go out of their way every day for commuters. I hope they know that not all of us are on board with these tactics and that I will certainly welcome them with the same hospitality.

One of these days, the leadership will speak for the majority.

 

[skypine69]

and one of these days regional pilots will grow a set of balls and stand up for what is right.

 

[eaglesview]

We've all been around long enough to know that not everyone is on board with common sense. I can honestly say that most UAL guys I commute beside to work are stand up people, however I can think of two that would never back down once given the jumpseat. They are the reason for this display of hostility.

A small percentage of pilots treat agents like crap, ruin it for the rest of us. A small percentage of pilots talk down to flight att., ruin it for the rest of us. A small percentage of pilots have no common sense when it comes to jumpseat protical, ruin it for the rest of us. This entire thread is devoted to that small percentage of idiots on both the major and regional sides.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

If it's a software glitch, then have the Captains get off their asses in the meantime and go sort it out at the gate if need be.

It's the Capt's jumpseat, not the friggin' computer program's jumpseat or the gate agent's jumpseat.

Bite the bullet in the meantime until the glitch can be fixed and sort it out correctly for yourselves.

 

[TAWS]

I have to laugh at people like PCL_128. Why would you take issue with the Go-Jets guys? Atleast they had the b@lls to take a stand with the rest of us, unlike the weenies at Trans mistakes!
There is a heated debate about this on our pilot web-board and, to be honest the JSC has been trying to get this resolved for a long time, but UA ALPA isn't really trying to get it changed (despite having SIGNED an agreement to the contrary).

The vast majority of RAH pilots truely do not want a JS p!ssing match, as we know that the average UAL pilot has been thru alot recently and it's getting worse for them. BTW, I can honestly say that every UAL pilot whom I've witnessed requesting the JS, has been extremely courteous and professional.

 

[bmpilot2003]

This "glitch" had been going on for 2 years and people are finely fed up with it. These UAX carriers have asked time and time again to have it fix with no results.

Eaglesview the letter was intended to educate UA line pilots on the current problem not in anyway start a jumpseat war. The intended consequences were set to affect change. Hopefully you guys voice your concerns to the MEC and this can be changed. Just like you said commen sense would give priority to the company pilot on the jumpseat.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

UAX and UAL pilots....

























(for UAX pilots born after 1981)

 

[Poahi]

A small percentage of pilots treat agents like crap, ... talk down to flight att., ...have no common sense when it comes to jumpseat protical, ruin it for the rest of us. ....

Best post I've read in a while. The problem is - some of them are in charge.

 

[waveflyer]

ahh-one of the multiple problems w/ scope being released at all.

You guys talking as if you are true separate carriers is amazing-- guarantee management sits around thinking of ways they can get you to fight each other.... More division.... = More cuts.... eventually.

Personally- as much as the UAL pilots have disenfranchised the junior pilots in their own seniority group- which are about to get furloughed again... and the junior pilots of the whole industry as they release scope OVER AND OVER... I hope a good lot of them get denied.

What UAALPA should be doing is figuring out how to get ALL UAX pilots on one list... b/c this current setup DOES NOT WORK.

 

[waveflyer]

EAGLESVIEW- just know every time you think about posting... every vote where you had a chance to get scope under control-- every time you voted right wing-- every time you undermined a long term vision of your union.... you set up this situation. (And your own eventual paycuts and pension loss)

Oh-- and next time you taxi past a turboprop-- wave to the best pilot in your view. They are held to a higher standard and put in worse situations, under much worse schedules and contracts... you either forgot where you came from or had a silver spoon up your a$$ most of your career--- but let that 'i'm better than you' idea go... It's a delusion at best. You've positioned yourself well in the short term... that's all you accomplished. Fly a month w/ a Colgan or GLA pilot and you'll gain a new respect. I'm glad you apologized (kind of...)... but i'm bored w/ letting a comment like that slide. My entire generation is DONE rolling over for any of you shortsighted, no leadership pricks.

 

[joe_pilot]

For the record I do not agree with my own words. I was pissed at the arrogance of using the jumpseat as a weapon/political tool and pissed at the apathy of UAL’s management.

Thanks. Much appreciated.

For the record, I have never had a problem with any mainline guys. Just Sunday night I was trying to get home from ORD. A couple of UAL guys worked hard to make sure it happened. I ended up front on the 320 with one of the mainline guys. He insisted I take the "good" center seat. The FO was on his 3rd flight of IOE, was talking about going back into trucking. Had an "F"date of september 3rd.

Good luck to all.

-JP

 

[joe_pilot]

and one of these days regional pilots will grow a set of balls and stand up for what is right.

And one of these days certain posters will stop generalizing and realize that the term "nutless wonder" applies to more than just regional pilots.

 

[joe_pilot]

If the shoe fits...

 

[nimtz]

This "glitch" had been going on for 2 years and people are finely fed up with it. These UAX carriers have asked time and time again to have it fix with no results.

Eaglesview the letter was intended to educate UA line pilots on the current problem not in anyway start a jumpseat war. The intended consequences were set to affect change. Hopefully you guys voice your concerns to the MEC and this can be changed. Just like you said commen sense would give priority to the company pilot on the jumpseat.

And you dopes think by doing this it won't start a war. Refer to your own document where you use the word DENY ALL. Quite frankly UAL MEC has got a lot more serious cr@p on their plate right now then RJ jumpseat priority.

Yes I'm sure a bone tired UAL guy trying to get home will seek support your cause after getting knocked off the last flight. The wife will understand as well and he'll seek to affect change as result of this positive event. Hopefully the captain that denies him has spiked highlights for added effect.

Might as well be honest and admit that if you don't get what you want it will be war. This is why you don't politicize the jumpseat or let management dictate the terms of its use. Brilliant idea to sow my discord around the all ready joyous house of UAL these days. Good luck...

 

[CaptSeth]

Let's see, you're mad at UAL mgt., so you're going to deny the jumpseat to mainline pilots? Turning your jumpseat into a political weapon - against the wrong entity will accomplish what, exactly?

When I was a JSC, I was always mindful of not politicizing the jumpseat, inviting all air carrier pilots on board, with or without reciprocity - because that's just the right thing to do. We all (well, except for me, I'm on the street..) have to get to work somehow, and improving access should be our only focus.

If you have an issue with management, there is an appropriate venue to present it - NOT by burning a bridge with your mainline pilots.

 

[eaglesview]

EAGLESVIEW- just know every time you think about posting... every vote where you had a chance to get scope under control-- every time you voted right wing-- every time you undermined a long term vision of your union.... you set up this situation. (And your own eventual paycuts and pension loss)

Oh-- and next time you taxi past a turboprop-- wave to the best pilot in your view. They are held to a higher standard and put in worse situations, under much worse schedules and contracts... you either forgot where you came from or had a silver spoon up your a$$ most of your career--- but let that 'i'm better than you' idea go... It's a delusion at best. You've positioned yourself well in the short term... that's all you accomplished. Fly a month w/ a Colgan or GLA pilot and you'll gain a new respect. I'm glad you apologized (kind of...)... but i'm bored w/ letting a comment like that slide. My entire generation is DONE rolling over for any of you shortsighted, no leadership pricks.

First off you have know idea how I vote. You are wrong on every count in your first paragragh. Nice try though.

Second I do know where I came from. To say that I was held to a higher standard when I flew turbo-props for the commuters is a stretch. One level of safety for all I believe. As far as you (because I really doubt you speak for your entire generation) "being done rolling over" I really don't care.

By the way I will still be sure, if at all possible to get you on the jumpseat.

 

[CFIT]

Let's see, you're mad at UAL mgt., so you're going to deny the jumpseat to mainline pilots?


If you have an issue with management, there is an appropriate venue to present it - NOT by burning a bridge with your mainline pilots.

The problem is not management, it's the UAL MEC, management doesn't care about the priority. UAL MEC wanted the super priority and have been asked for over 2 years to put it back the way it was.

Simply put, put it back the way it was and this little episode is over.

 

[Flyerdan]

Let's see, you're mad at UAL mgt., so you're going to deny the jumpseat to mainline pilots? Turning your jumpseat into a political weapon - against the wrong entity will accomplish what, exactly?

When I was a JSC, I was always mindful of not politicizing the jumpseat, inviting all air carrier pilots on board, with or without reciprocity - because that's just the right thing to do. We all (well, except for me, I'm on the street..) have to get to work somehow, and improving access should be our only focus.

If you have an issue with management, there is an appropriate venue to present it - NOT by burning a bridge with your mainline pilots.

I think you are misinformed. We are being told that it is the UAL MEC who is the problem here and is holding up getting this problem resolved. That is why the hand out is directed to the UAL pilots so they will call their union reps and urge them to do the right thing and get this fixed.

So far, I haven't seen a single post saying that the current computer prioritization of the jumpseat is correct. The "Glitch" in the system is seen as a way to backdoor the whole procedure and is a violation of the jumpseat agreement itself.

What needs to be done is for the UAL pilots to just put all this emotion that is being generated aside and help the UAX pilots with this problem. It shouldn't be about egos or talk of a silly jumpseat war. It's a legitimate complaint about a legitimate issue so why not just take 3 minutes to make a call or email to your union rep and take care of it?

 

[CaptSeth]

The problem is not management, it's the UAL MEC, management doesn't care about the priority. UAL MEC wanted the super priority and have been asked for over 2 years to put it back the way it was.

Simply put, put it back the way it was and this little episode is over.

I didn't quite get that from the original post, and that's where my mind was when I responded. It talked about how UAL has assigned a cost to the change and was unresponsive. If there is an issue with the UAL MEC with regards to "super priority," that does complicate things to some degree as there may be contractual provisions that I'm unaware of.

I still maintain that withdrawing priviliges is the wrong tack to take, as the only real pressure will be applied to line pilots who don't necessarily disagree. Express pilots may wind up enduring additional hardship over this, but I hope not.

I've had dealings with the former UAL JSC, and had a very positive experience with UAL Pilots in general. Hopefully, this disagreement can be sorted out without the use of the "Nuclear Option."

 

[ArcticFlier]

Just my two cents

This will work. Many placed phone calls to the UAL MEC (who was the instigator here) will get it fixed. Most UAL line guys agree ( I suppose.........tell me if I'm wrong) that we should have priority on our own metal. Some lines of code and voila, the problem is fixed. The ball is in the MEC's court. pretty simple to me.

 

[Weasil]

This is an UAL pilot issue - the change was made by your MEC as a way to get around our jumpseat agreements! This is absolute BS...
We have an agreement - if you guys can't abide by it than the agreement goes away - it's pretty simple. All your bitching on here won't make one bit of difference - call your LEC reps and tell them to fix this now.

 

[Axel]

I agree that each company's pilots should have priority on their own airplanes. That being said:

This is a bad idea. A jumpseat war hurts everybody and I will not take part. I will ONLY deny a jumpseat to someone on their way to cross a picket line or on their way home from crossing a picket line. Nobody I know of is on strike right now. Welcome aboard.

 

[Poahi]

Not one single UAL pilot I've talked to wants to take away any offline carrier's access to their own jumpseat.

Using someone's ability to get to work as a weapon is wrong.

 

[ArcticFlier]

Not one single UAL pilot I've talked to wants to take away any offline carrier's access to their own jumpseat.

UAL's MEC apparently does. But it should be a simple fix if 100% of the UAL pilots see differently.

 

[bmpilot2003]

Using someone's ability to get to work as a weapon is wrong.

Exactly the UAL MEC has taken that from the UAX pilots! For 2 years and continuous negotiations the UAL MEC has decided they own our right to have priority on our jumpseats. Complete disregard for jumpseat agreements. This letter is not a declaration of a jumpseat war its a call to rank file UAL pilots to have their MEC to fix the problem. How hard is that for you to understand POAHI?!

 

[SpauldingSmails]

deleted; redundant.