Things to do in mormonland

[KeroseneSnorter]

Psysic,

"That God the Father was once a man on another planet who 'passed the ordeal we are now passing through. (130:22)

Obi-Wan? Anakin?




Actually, arguing about this is pointless, it is faith based.

Actually, most religions contain stories that could be interpreted as "Alien" in nature. Taken at face value leaving out the faith part there are many many stories from the bible that can be viewed the same way you view the alien god.

Fast forward 200 years and you were standing on another planet full of less advanced life forms a simple bic lighter could be seen as magic, or devine power.

I am sure of one thing, you do not have to dig very far into history to find "edits" and "deletions" to the christian bible. There have been many changes forged to suit what ever needs the "leaders" needed. Most religions suffer from this same problem in one form or another.

Moral of the story, you need to find the one that works for you.

EDIT: To be clear, I am not Mormon, and other than a drinking and motorcycle buddy from college, I know nothing really of the faith. And since he was a drinking buddy...well lets just say that he probably was not the best source of info on the practicing Mormon.:beer:

 

[Raskal]

:smash: Uh oh, I feel like I got an argument started!

Well, just got back and had to say thanks again to the guys who sugggested the bars (we never made golf, trip got cut short). Ended spending a ton of time at Squatters SLC Brewing...wow, great beers. Red Rock was ok...Port of Call too.

Ironic note-I took home a six pack of Polygamy Porter and happened across Anderson Cooper in town doing a show on polygamy for his 360 program...weird!

 

[Midnight Flyer]

MF:

I can't really understand why you really even care, or bother for that matter. Is there some medal for Mormonbashing or something? Man, even in the former Soviet Union we were a little more tolerant and open-minded about the white-shirted, backpacked guys, (no bicycles there, we had better public transportation) and our libraries were FULL of propaganda and lies about them. So, I can't imagine why you don't have better things to do with your time than sit around trying to prove something about them or their religion. Unless... you're scared of the truth?:blush:

You're right, I really don't care. But before you get your pantie$ in a wad, just know that I am not mormonbashing. Trust me, you'd know if I was doing that. If you go back and read over my posts, you will see that I never once said it was a bad religion, or they don't believe in God, and I didn't even discourage anybody from being a mormon. All I said was that some of the beliefs are a little far-fetched. Even some of the teachings in my church cause me to stand back and say "c'mon now, you've got to be kidding!"

While we're on the subject of religion bashing, here are the only 2 religions I would personally steer clear of:
Catholics, because I have 2 sons
Islam (muslim, or whatever they call themselves) Them people hijack planes in the name of their god, Allah.

For all you muslims and catholics out there, I am not attacking your religion either, so don't get bent out of shape. Whatever works for you.
I went over to Iraq (in the reserves) to help preserve our right of being free, including free speech, so I am entitled to voice my opinion. And before I get 300 PM's from pi$$ed off catholics and muslims, I am aware of the fact that 100% of catholic priests aren't gay & don't molest boys and I know that not all muslim's hijack airliners in the name of their god, allah.

 

[G100driver]

I went over to Iraq (in the reserves) to help preserve our right of being free, including free speech, so I am entitled to voice my opinion..

I am still trying figure this one out .... how does invading a sovereign nation protect our right to be free? (How's that for thread hijack!)

 

[cezzna]

I really believe all of you interested in this would like 'under the banner of heaven". It goes through the whole evolution of the religion, what the religious climate was like in the US when Joseph Smith started it, and what it has morphed into today. It expains polygamy and the forced abandonment by the federal govt. 100yrs ago, and it also goes into the outright bigotry(racism) that the church practised until very recently. It then goes into the mormon fundamentalist sects which are way out there(think David Koresh), and the tens of thousands of people who are a part of them.

The purpose of the book is to show the average american how an Osama Bin Laden can emerge from the roots of a well intentioned religion. I don't agree with a whole lot of what the mormon church profess, but I have ongoing contact with a few mormons. As a whole, the mormons I have met are the most well intentioned kind people in the world. They are far more selfless than any christian I've ever met. While the religon is not for me, I cannot say more about the mormons I have met. The book really shows how a religious fundamentalist of any flavor can cast an unfair shadow over any religion.

You never know what may be growing in our own backyard.

 

[cezzna]

I really believe all of you interested in this would like 'under the banner of heaven". It goes through the whole evolution of the religion, what the religious climate was like in the US when Joseph Smith started it, and what it has morphed into today. It expains polygamy and the forced abandonment by the federal govt. 100yrs ago, and it also goes into the outright bigotry(racism) that the church practised until very recently. It then goes into the mormon fundamentalist sects which are way out there(think David Koresh), and the tens of thousands of people who are a part of them.

The purpose of the book is to show the average american how an Osama Bin Laden can emerge from the roots of a well intentioned religion. I don't agree with a whole lot of what the mormon church profess, but I have ongoing contact with a few mormons. As a whole, the mormons I have met are the most well intentioned kind people in the world. They are far more selfless than any christian I've ever met. While the religon is not for me, I cannot say more about the mormons I have met. The book really shows how a religious fundamentalist of any flavor can cast an unfair shadow over any religion.

You never know what may be growing in our own backyard.

 

[uncle_rico]

Actually it's not that simple. My best friend is from SLC and grew up a Mormon. Growing up, he was one of the kids you see riding on the bicycle wearing the white shirt and black ties. Although he dosent attend church every Sunday, he knows quite a bit about the religion. He will ramble about how important Joseph Smith is, Bringham young, how pure and strict the religion is, yadda yadda, yadda. But what he fails to tell you is everything you will find here: http://www.carm.org/mormon.htm You have to drag it out of him that Mormons believe that some of them can become "gods", and that god came from another planet, among other goofy mormanisms. He'll talk about it, but you have to drag it out of him.
CurtainDriver, I have a life, thank you. I have nothing against the mormon church, however, I think that alot of the beliefs are a little out there for alot of people. My wife has studied the bible her whole life, and is a counselor in a Christain church. She loves it when the mormon kids are wondering the neighborhood to sell their religion. Usually after they go through their spiel, they're left speechless because she proves everthing they say wrong. Needless to say, they never want to come to our house anymore. Most people I know in our neighborhood have made it clear to the mormons that they aren't welcome in the neighborhood, for the exception of my house. But my house is the only house they don't want to come to out of fear that my wife will rip them to shreds andsend them walking with their tails between their legs.
CD, all I'm saying is that if you ask a mormon about the mormon religion, it will be sweetened up and presented to you in a pursuasive way to make you want to join the church. Only later will you learn the quirks of the religion.
If you visit a site like http://www.carm.org/mormon.htm you will skip all the bs and get down brass tacks real quick.

my .02

my my my.....such ignorance. Put up some of these "they couldn't answer" points.....I would love to hear them. You, like many others, have been poorly informed by 1/2 truths or truths that were presented in a twisted context.

As for that link you keep posting. Anyone can make a website like that. Give me an hour and I could make a site all about your "bible study wife" and make her religion seem strange.

You want real answers ask someone who is in the faith....not someone who got excummunicated or is anti-mormon. When I was a checkairmen and busted someone on a checkride, they would always go and tell their friends how "unfair"/"too tough", or some other wild version of reality to justify their failures.

You have been fed some anti-mormon kool-aid and you drank the whole jug.

 

[whaleroast]

my my my.....such ignorance. Put up some of these "they couldn't answer" points.....I would love to hear them. You, like many others, have been poorly informed by 1/2 truths or truths that were presented in a twisted context.

As for that link you keep posting. Anyone can make a website like that. Give me an hour and I could make a site all about your "bible study wife" and make her religion seem strange.

You want real answers ask someone who is in the faith....not someone who got excummunicated or is anti-mormon. When I was a checkairmen and busted someone on a checkride, they would always go and tell their friends how "unfair"/"too tough", or some other wild version of reality to justify their failures.

You have been fed some anti-mormon kool-aid and you drank the whole jug.

Give us the truth then, oh wise one.
I am not Mormon, but I live amongst them. I can personally attest to their blatent disregard for a number of things where I live, among them the idea that religion should not be taught at a public school. Sure, they had there seminary off school grounds...20 feet of school grounds, across a two lane street, but off school grounds none-the-less, yeah right. And that was a credit course, too. Oh, yeah, my high school French teacher, who was Mormon, would spout the Book of Mormon daily in class during the entire period, which was fine with me because I didn't want to learn French anyway, and since most of the class was mormon, that was cool.
Our neighbors would frequently either come over to our house and try to convert us pagens, or send missionaries to do the dirty work. That all ended when my old man got his gun one night and shot a bunch of hens that our Mormon neighbors had and would allow to roam free through the neighbrohood, ending up frequently at our house pooping on the driveway and pecking up the grass. Why did they have chickens? Well, they were too pooor to afford eggs, and sugar, and milk, and flour and pretty much everything else. Why? They had 10 kids, you know, because every good Mormon has to have as many kids as possible so they get into the highest level of heaven. Too bad their dad didn't make enough to support his family, and consequently became a burden on the welfare system. Of course the mom didn't work. She had no skills. Aren't Mormon women taught to believe their sole job in this world is to bare children. Education? Forget about it. Yo're just a baby factory! Too bad for the kids, but they were brainwashed anyway, so why did they care?
But aside from my fuzzy personal memories, what do Mormons really believe in anyway? Do you really beileve Joseph Smith was visited by an angel, led to buried gold tablets and given goggles that only he could use to decipher the text? Give me a freakin break. And all of that "translated" material is what the church is built on. How come nobody ever saw these tablets anyway? What about polygamy and its role in the Church. Since it was a cornerstone of the foundation of the Mormon Church, isn't denying polygamy in a sense disputing the revelations that Smith perceived? By the way, didn't Smith say we are all our own prophets and that God speaks to use directly, so why his his prophecy any better than when God speaks to me or you?
In essence, Mormonism is a ruse that was devised during the period of American History that saw a birth of a wide variety of fanatical relgions. Joesph Smith was a poor farmer who was looking to make some money and he came up with a great money making idea. Religion works because it appeals to ignorant people that want to beileve that there has to be something greater to live for than the crap they endure on a daily basis here on Earth. So instead of killing ourselves when we realize we live a pointless existence, we disguise this reality with another one, this one containing a benevolent God and a heaven for those that are worthy and a hell for those that are not.

 

[curtaindriver]

Whaleroast....calm down, dude. Chickens running around? Your dad shooting them, bla bla where in the world do you live? Sounds like maybe you should get out more. Closet seem a little dark? Anyway, keep spouting and getting all worked up, that's cool. Mormons are the fastest growing religion in the world, maybe because all of the kids we are supposed to have. ha ha ha. And those back pack wearing guys on bikes doing the "dirty work" are 60,000+ strong in almost all areas of the world. You are the equivalent of a man trying to stop a speeding locomotive.....keep pushing guy, we'll see how it works out for you.

CD

 

[psysicx]

Please tell me why Mormonism is the fastest growing religion? I don't believe anything you guys say. I grew up in SLC and there are lots of Mormons but there is no way teachers would talk about it in class. That website is false and god did not come from another planet. I don't buy religion as a whole but you guys should right fiction.

 

[whaleroast]

Whaleroast....calm down, dude. Chickens running around? Your dad shooting them, bla bla where in the world do you live? Sounds like maybe you should get out more. Closet seem a little dark? Anyway, keep spouting and getting all worked up, that's cool. Mormons are the fastest growing religion in the world, maybe because all of the kids we are supposed to have. ha ha ha. And those back pack wearing guys on bikes doing the "dirty work" are 60,000+ strong in almost all areas of the world. You are the equivalent of a man trying to stop a speeding locomotive.....keep pushing guy, we'll see how it works out for you.

CD

AZ dude, and all of that was true.
I don't have to lie about anything, unlike the Mormons, ha-ha.

 

[curtaindriver]

psysicx (cool name, seriously) google the fastest growing religion. Don't have to believe me.

Whaleroast, never once contested the things you said about your early years or where you grew up, just thought it was a part from "Deliverance".

CD

 

[whaleroast]

psysicx (cool name, seriously) google the fastest growing religion. Don't have to believe me.

Whaleroast, never once contested the things you said about your early years or where you grew up, just thought it was a part from "Deliverance".

CD

If it sounds like that, its because the Mormons made it that way.
And you never answered my questions about your faith.
Come on, why can't I be a prophet in the Mormon Church like Joe Smith? God talks to me!!!

 

[justthewife]

Whaleroast:

Russian mormons that I know do not have chickens because they are too poor to buy eggs, do not have families with 10 kids, or go to school where they talk about the Book of Mormon in class. They don't do any of the other things you are talking about either. Do you think it's possible you could have been raised around the famous 10% that exists in any population? Just a thought....

 

[uncle_rico]

Give us the truth then, oh wise one.
I am not Mormon, but I live amongst them. I can personally attest to their blatent disregard for a number of things where I live, among them the idea that religion should not be taught at a public school. Sure, they had there seminary off school grounds...20 feet of school grounds, across a two lane street, but off school grounds none-the-less, yeah right. And that was a credit course, too. Oh, yeah, my high school French teacher, who was Mormon, would spout the Book of Mormon daily in class during the entire period, which was fine with me because I didn't want to learn French anyway, and since most of the class was mormon, that was cool.
Our neighbors would frequently either come over to our house and try to convert us pagens, or send missionaries to do the dirty work. That all ended when my old man got his gun one night and shot a bunch of hens that our Mormon neighbors had and would allow to roam free through the neighbrohood, ending up frequently at our house pooping on the driveway and pecking up the grass. Why did they have chickens? Well, they were too pooor to afford eggs, and sugar, and milk, and flour and pretty much everything else. Why? They had 10 kids, you know, because every good Mormon has to have as many kids as possible so they get into the highest level of heaven. Too bad their dad didn't make enough to support his family, and consequently became a burden on the welfare system. Of course the mom didn't work. She had no skills. Aren't Mormon women taught to believe their sole job in this world is to bare children. Education? Forget about it. Yo're just a baby factory! Too bad for the kids, but they were brainwashed anyway, so why did they care?
But aside from my fuzzy personal memories, what do Mormons really believe in anyway? Do you really beileve Joseph Smith was visited by an angel, led to buried gold tablets and given goggles that only he could use to decipher the text? Give me a freakin break. And all of that "translated" material is what the church is built on. How come nobody ever saw these tablets anyway? What about polygamy and its role in the Church. Since it was a cornerstone of the foundation of the Mormon Church, isn't denying polygamy in a sense disputing the revelations that Smith perceived? By the way, didn't Smith say we are all our own prophets and that God speaks to use directly, so why his his prophecy any better than when God speaks to me or you?
In essence, Mormonism is a ruse that was devised during the period of American History that saw a birth of a wide variety of fanatical relgions. Joesph Smith was a poor farmer who was looking to make some money and he came up with a great money making idea. Religion works because it appeals to ignorant people that want to beileve that there has to be something greater to live for than the crap they endure on a daily basis here on Earth. So instead of killing ourselves when we realize we live a pointless existence, we disguise this reality with another one, this one containing a benevolent God and a heaven for those that are worthy and a hell for those that are not.

you are an absolute retard...I only reply to this garbage because of the humor your ranting invokes.