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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8411214.stm

British Airways cabin crew vote for Christmas strike

British Airways cabin crew have voted overwhelmingly in favour of strike action in a dispute over job cuts and changes to staff contracts.
The strikes are set to begin on 22 December and run until 2 January.
Cabin crew voted by nine to one in favour of the strike action, with an 80% turnout.
BA's chief executive Willie Walsh said the decision was "cynical" and betrayed "a lack of concern for our customers, our business and other employees".
Len McCluskey, assistant general secretary of the Unite union, said: "It goes without saying that we have taken this decision to disrupt passengers and customers over the Christmas period with a heavy heart."
He stressed that the union was keen to continue negotiations.
"We will wait, ready to meet, anytime, anywhere, 24 hours a day, to try to see if we can resolve the dispute."
Contacting passengers

BA's chief executive Willie Walsh said the company would be doing everything it could to limit the effect of the strike action.
"We are going to look at all our options [to minimise disruption]; operational, legal and industrial relations options," he told BBC News.
BA offered passengers who are booked to travel during the strike period - or 48 hours either side of it - the chance to rebook their flights at no extra cost.
Otherwise it said it would inform customers of changes to its schedules by email or SMS text.
"We will use the contact details supplied at the time of booking, so we ask customers to please ensure these are correct and up-to-date," BA said in a statement.
Mr Walsh said he had told the Unite union he was available for talks, but was uncompromising on the central issue of the dispute.
"The changes that we introduced in the middle of November will not be reversed. Those changes enabled us to offer voluntary redundancy to 1,000 cabin crew and those people have left the business."

Cuts concerns

Unions are unhappy about job cuts and changes to staff contracts, which they say they have not been consulted on.
BA has reduced the number of cabin crew from 15 to 14 on all long-haul flights, and has frozen pay for two years.
Unite said that the cuts involved imposing "significant contractual changes" on cabin crew employees, resulting in extended working hours, and reduced wages for new starters.
BA says it urgently needs to cut costs to ride out its dire financial situation. Last month it revealed it had lost £292m in the first half of the year - the worst period in its history - and said it would have to cut a further 1,200 staff.
 
Good thing ALPA has been trying so hard to ammend the RLA :rolleyes:
And what are the atlernatives? Oh yeah...

Here in the land of the free, you go to jail if you strike without permission.
And get fined Millions of dollars for your union, and have the "me" people cross the picket lines anyway.

We'll definitely keep fighting the fight, but unless the Brits want to allow us to apply to THEIR companies just like THEY can apply to OURS, or can figure out a way to force our government to change the RLA just as they want to force our government to change Cabotage and Open Skies laws, then no, they aren't showing us anything useful at all.
 
The Brits show Americans the way. STRIKE!
Yeap! We can do the same, when only ONE big National airline does exist in USA.
 
We'll definitely keep fighting the fight, but unless the Brits want to allow us to apply to THEIR companies just like THEY can apply to OURS, or can figure out a way to force our government to change the RLA just as they want to force our government to change Cabotage and Open Skies laws, then no, they aren't showing us anything useful at all.


Lear, I'm usually a fan of yours but I have to correct you here as your facts are wrong. As a dual UK/US citizen I can tell you that I know for a fact that the British airlines have hiring requirements that are no different from the US airlines. These are, local (JAA) licenses, as well as the LEGAL right to live and work in the UK. To state that Americans can't apply to British airlines while Brits can apply to US airlines is absolutely wrong. For the record, I personally know Americans flying for BA, Ryanair and Easyjet in the UK, as well as Air France and SAS.

Also, don't believe for a second that Cabotage and Open Skies are a one way street; the major US airlines want Cabotage and Open Skies so that they can start flying revenue flights within Europe every bit as much as the European airlines want it in the US. The US airlines have been lobbying the European Union very strongly in favor of Open Skies agreements.

Other than that, thanks for all you've done for our pilot group and hopefully we'll see you online again soon.
 
Be careful what you ask for. If the RLA gets opened up, the pilots won't be the only ones at the rule making process.

So true. One of the VPs at AK Air is a family friend and we spoke about the RLA and how he wants to see it go away. That makes one wonder, if management wants it and the pilots want it, who wins? Can't be both...
 
Lear, I'm usually a fan of yours but I have to correct you here as your facts are wrong. As a dual UK/US citizen I can tell you that I know for a fact that the British airlines have hiring requirements that are no different from the US airlines. These are, local (JAA) licenses, as well as the LEGAL right to live and work in the UK. To state that Americans can't apply to British airlines while Brits can apply to US airlines is absolutely wrong. For the record, I personally know Americans flying for BA, Ryanair and Easyjet in the UK, as well as Air France and SAS.
Not trying to pick a fight, but I am definitely going to have to disagree with you that this is a level playing field.

It's almost IMPOSSIBLE these days to get long-term EU right of abode without a sponsor (someone who is going to hire you for a job you are uniquely suitable for - none of the airlines will do that in the EU), or marrying a EU citizen (and who wants to do that just for a job?), or having a child in the UK (and even that has its own strict terms and conditions and, again, who's going to do that just to increase their job possibilities?). Unless you want to change your citizenship away from the U.S., and I don't know of too many people who are eager to do that...

Conversely, it has been much easier, historically-speaking, for foreigners to come to the U.S., get their ratings, get a job, then use that job as a basis for permanent citizenship and get it within a reasonable amount of time. It's one of the things this country was founded on, just the nature of the beast, and has been this way for as long as I have been a pilot (20+ years), and has only gotten worse with so many U.S. pilots out of a job.

Also, don't believe for a second that Cabotage and Open Skies are a one way street; the major US airlines want Cabotage and Open Skies so that they can start flying revenue flights within Europe every bit as much as the European airlines want it in the US. The US airlines have been lobbying the European Union very strongly in favor of Open Skies agreements.
Granted, but I still think it's a terrible idea for labor.

It's part of that "life cycle of an airline" I was talking about in another thread regarding deregulation. If an airline can't grow, it will die as its costs increase without new routes and income to support those increasing costs since other companies with lower costs keep the prices artificially depressed and prevent raising ticket prices to cover costs. U.S. airlines want Open Skies in Europe so they can expand to survive. Either way, labor loses, which is why I vehemently oppose Open Skies and Cabotage, as it will put more downward pressure on wages with more ASM's which always drives down fares.

Other than that, thanks for all you've done for our pilot group and hopefully we'll see you online again soon.
Thanks, I appreciate that. 2 more months to Arbitration, then 60-90 days for the award... Lots of work left to do, still. Merry Christmas! :)
 
What the hell are you talking about?
You have to have PERMANENT EU right of abode in order to work for any of the EU companies.

Have you ever tried to get that as a U.S. citizen? It's difficult in the extreme, and that's an understatement. I looked into it last year when I spent a month flying in Italy. It's not even the JAA licensing that's the hard part (although that's time consuming), it's getting an EU passport and/or EU right of abode on a permanent basis that's the hard part.

But thanks for being so polite about it...
 

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