The Bashing Begins

[Browntothebone]

If what I'm hearing is true, it makes me want to bash my head against a wall. 5 failures? I don't care who you are, that is a disturbing trend. The FAA won't change anything, for doing so will be admitting that their minimums aren't good enough after all.

I agree. The FAA should force all regional pilots to take 709 rides to prove there competency in the RJ and in basic flying skills. If they don't pass, revoke there lisence permanently.

 

[blzr]

Does the fact that Colgan trained the pilot, and allowed him to fly as PIC open them up to legal action? The way it is being portrayed, Colgan will get destroyed in court for Gross Negligence. The way things are going, some judge may allow a hate crime to be thrown in as well!!

 

[ehaecker]

CNN just had a guy on that hit on PAY issues. He said something like "if the pay and benefits are not there, you can't hire quality pilots." Now, I agree and sorta disagree. I agree that if pay and benefits are higher, you will attract better pilots. Actually you wil attract MORE pilots and your interview process will (should) weed out most of the bad apples. I disagree because MOST of the pilot applicants in todays market are there because they want to be there and are hoping to move on to the majors or a good corporate gig later on. AND, most of them are fine pilots.

I think "Sully" said something about this. a couple months ago.
You're right though. It will help attract more people, which gives a greater probability of the applicants being good pilots. That doesn't mean current lowly regional pilots aren't good pilots, though.

 

[blzr]

I agree. The FAA should force all regional pilots to take 709 rides to prove there competency in the RJ and in basic flying skills. If they don't pass, revoke there lisence permanently.

But ANY major airline pilot that busts a 709 ride gets additional trining and returnes to the line!

 

[Kaman]

So, much for the CJC upgrade interview program...I hope that is also discuessed at the hearing. I never agreed with that, and always felt you hired people that had command potential when newly-hired. And, thats NOT a function of flight time, type ratings or method/location of training.

 

[nimtz]

All right I just read the whole CVR. The flirting story is pure f*cking BS! Any fed that leaked that conversation as flirting probably hasn't gotten laid since The Carter Administration! I don't find the CVR the least bit incriminating until of course the fatal last moments. Yes I understand the sterile was broken, but that is at best a weak contributing factor in this crash.

 

[Kream926]

link broken for cvr transcript...

 

[tyuwerty]

All right I just read the whole CVR. The flirting story is pure f*cking BS! Any fed that leaked that conversation as flirting probably hasn't gotten laid since The Carter Administration! I don't find the CVR the least bit incriminating until of course the fatal last moments. Yes I understand the sterile was broken, but that is at best a weak contributing factor in this crash.

Agreed... Very weak at best. No signs of an argument either as the other rumor stated.

 

[Kream926]

where are you guys reading this CVR??

 

[ehaecker]

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/buffalo_cockpit_transcript.pdf

 

[jmreii]

So many people are worried about how many checkrides the guy failed. It is too bad the aircraft/airplane doesn't know what your background is, otherwise you would see that many of the pilot error airline accidents in the US alone were caused by flight crews that never failed a checkride. Too bad because the crews and passengers are still dead. good luck with that philosophy.

 

[AAsRedHeadedbro]

Five failed check rides over ANY period of time is an indication that this person should never have been in the cockpit of an airliner. There should be no argument over that. Most of the pilots I've met over the eighteen years I've been in this industry have never failed a check ride. Ever. Not at any level. And these are pilots who have been in the industry a heck of a lot longer than this guy was and who therefore would have had many more chances to fail a ride along the way - but didn't.

This is not the kind of negative publicity this segment of the industry needs and it's infuriating to me (and no doubt, to most of you out there).

 

[AAsRedHeadedbro]

So many people are worried about how many checkrides the guy failed. It is too bad the aircraft/airplane doesn't know what your background is, otherwise you would see that many of the pilot error airline accidents in the US alone were caused by flight crews that never failed a checkride. Too bad because the crews and passengers are still dead. good luck with that philosophy.

Five failed checkrides. FIVE. Over a relatively short period of time. That is a very strong signal that a person is not capable of being PIC in an airliner. And this guy lost control of his airplane is a most basic way - he stalled it. That's basic airmanship. Frightening to me.

 

[Papa Woody]

The way things are going, some judge may allow a hate crime to be thrown in as well!!

LOL...

...only if one or more passengers was gay, black, transgender, or Mexican.

 

[SpauldingSmails]

So many people are worried about how many checkrides the guy failed. It is too bad the aircraft/airplane doesn't know what your background is, otherwise you would see that many of the pilot error airline accidents in the US alone were caused by flight crews that never failed a checkride. Too bad because the crews and passengers are still dead. good luck with that philosophy.

You're right, lots of people have been killed by pilots who've never dinged a ride. We all make errors, sometimes unfortunately they're fatal.

But were not talking about lots of accidents, were talking about this accident. Five failed checkrides, at the very least, shows this guy doesn't handle high-pressure situations very well.

I hate to sound like an a-hole, but I wouldn't want anyone in my family flying around with a guy in command who has failed 5-checkrides if I could help it. The victims families should be rightfully angry about this. The fact they gave this guy four stripes is a crime. I hope they sue Colgan into the stone-age.

If you've been offened by the post... so be it.

Yeah, I know I'm a classless a-hole, but sugar coating a post wouldn't change the way I feel about this.