SWAPA might like SWA proposal

[Bob_Sacamano]

No, I think Southwest should offer preferential interviews.

So far AAI is getting all the equity.

Do you feel like a staple of all of AT's FO's is fair and equitable? That is what was on the table last night.

 

[madjack]

deleted...pushed the key twice...

 

[FlyinHigh737]

no matter how much you guys want to pretend that your'e indestructible.

No need for that,we all want the best for our careers and families. Lets see what comes out of all this. PCL128, you may want to tone down your dislike for us, not smart...

 

[madjack]

PCL said: Career earnings are impossible to predict from mainline carrier to mainline carrier. Yes, it's easy to say that working at any mainline carrier will earn you more over the course of a career than a career at a regional, but it's impossible to say that a career at SWA is any more valuable in the long term than a career at any other mainline carrier.

OK MR PCL, find me ONE commercial airline pilot who having been offerred jobs at both SWA and AAI, went to AAI...Good luck, and there is a reason that may be hard to do...

 

[redflyer65]

Forget it PCL. It's like arguing to a wall.

He'll just try and spin it to what could have been or should have been.

 

[GuppyWN]

My banker doesn't ask what seat I sit in, he asks me how much I earn.

Gup

 

[maxthrottle]

IT's always dangerous to believe your own BS. No matter who you are. Clearly this is not a merger and certainly not of equals. But one party seems to want to insist that it is by their demands. And to say this is about seniority and not pay is complete foolish nonsense. Because we all know seniority translates into pay. Even arbitrators know this. IF I had a choice I'd take the staple. This cannnot be a one side takes all agreement. If the SWA pay differential is high, then what do SWA pilots gain in this? Nothing? I don't think it bodes well for either side to come off as looking greedy. Mr. Kelly's first goal is to preserve the culture he has. IF the groups cannot amiably come to agreement and either side will be indefinitely hostile, he will likely not jeopardize his existing employees through this acquisition. This is basic business sense. No amount of legal wrangling or threats by anyone can cause him to lose sight of this. THe resulting actions may be expensive to SWA and painful for many, but I believe he will put the preservation of SWA first. The more this looks like America West- USAir, the less likely it is to happen. In fact that could very well be his justification for whatever eventual action takes place...

 

[stalker]

Hey PCL, if that is the case maybe you should get your app in over at us air now before the big rush! You stay classy now!

 

[PCL_128]

My banker doesn't ask what seat I sit in, he asks me how much I earn.

He doesn't ask you how many days off you get, either, but I'm pretty sure it's important to you.

 

[madjack]

Find an arbiter that will knock 40% off a mid seniority CA then.


Find an arbitration where there existed so much difference in pay, benefits, career expectations, between the principles...I am not advocating a staple, but no arbiter could agree that any SWA pilot should be junior to an AAI pilot with a later DOH...even straight DOH penalizes the SWA pilots due to age and retirements within the AAI group.

 

[RLAblows]

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Now back to your head banging.

 

[afhercdriver]

Do you feel like a staple of all of AT's FO's is fair and equitable? That is what was on the table last night.

Easydoesit,

In short, if this was indeed the offer, it falls far short of my expectations. A couple of reasons and examples. A tranny friend in my military unit was asked on Sept 28 if SWA called and offered him a job without the type and ATP if he would take it. His answer was absolutely yes. Now he is pushing for relative. Go figure. Another expample is the AAI 737 Captain I met on an over night. It was just the two of us. He asked me about the 123 so I bought him a beer. While enjoying our beer together he told me he was trying to get a job at SWA. Hated AAI. I don't remember his name it was a couple of years ago. If SWA called you on Sept 26 and offered you a job, what would you have done? Be honest, we already know the answer.

Respectfully,
Jim

 

[bravodude]

I thougt you were the "genius" that said GK only makes one offer.

Think Again!

Make a note of the day you made this statement! You will forever remember today, I promise you.

 

[GhettoBeechjet]

Career earnings are impossible to predict from mainline carrier to mainline carrier. Yes, it's easy to say that working at any mainline carrier will earn you more over the course of a career than a career at a regional, but it's impossible to say that a career at SWA is any more valuable in the long term than a career at any other mainline carrier. Just 10 years ago, a career at Delta was more valuable than a career at SWA by a country mile. Now? Not so much. It can change in the blink of an eye. In another 10 years, a career at USAirways may look like a better bet than a career at SWA. Anything can happen, no matter how much you guys want to pretend that your'e indestructible.

PCL thanks for the ALPA talking points but you are missing a major piece of reality here. SWA was designed and is run as a sustainable buisness model. As such the inflation adjusted trip rates of the pilots have never changed unlike other carriers where they swing wildly. 10 years ago the SWAPA pilots were critized for flying for so little compared to the legacy airlines. Now we are at the top of the pile by default making the same inflation adjusted dollars. Management does a good job of running the company. The other half of the equation is that labor does a good job of asking for fair rates and work rules that allow the company to continue to prosper. The only long term variablity in our compensation is in profit sharing.

No one and nothing is indestructable but over a 40 year period SWA pilot pay rates have been very predicatable.

 

[RLAblows]

Easydoesit,

In short, if this was indeed the offer, it falls far short of my expectations. A couple of reasons and examples. A tranny friend in my military unit was asked on Sept 28 if SWA called and offered him a job without the type and ATP if he would take it. His answer was absolutely yes. Now he is pushing for relative. Go figure. Another expample is the AAI 737 Captain I met on an over night. It was just the two of us. He asked me about the 123 so I bought him a beer. While enjoying our beer together he told me he was trying to get a job at SWA. Hated AAI. I don't remember his name it was a couple of years ago. If SWA called you on Sept 26 and offered you a job, what would you have done? Be honest, we already know the answer.

Respectfully,
Jim

If you already know the answer, why ask the question? Define presumptuous or arrogance, superpilot.