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GuppyWN said:
I took a paycut and went to the end of the line when I went to WN. Seems to me that anything better than that is a bonus.

Gup
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Doesn't everyone take a pay cut and go to the back of the line when they CHOOSE to make a career move.
 
Luv2BFlyin said:
Doesn't everyone take a pay cut and go to the back of the line when they CHOOSE to make a career move.
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No offense here, and I'm not gonna chime in on the whole "staple" issue (at least right now), but you're saying this as if the majority of your list (especially the FO's) wouldn't have CHOSEN to become SWA pilots if given the option pre Sept 27th. As if being bought was this horrible thing that happened to you and you are just trying to cope with it. Disingenuous to say the least. Sheesh!

Fraternally,
PapaWoody

PS I think this is, in essence, the crux of the issue. SWA guys changed their lives to get this job, whereas AAI guys are getting it without the effort that we had to put into it, but yet we're the a-holes for expecting you guys to be a little realistic about the value of your career at AAI and the major increase in that value just by becoming part of our family. At better seniority than all of us started when we became part of SWA, I might add.
 
jetpilot4u said:
From reading all these posts... my conclusion is.....

AirTran pilots = A bunch of ungrateful b@stards!

No eloquence here!
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They aren't all like the handful here!

That's a great avatar pic. If I did AM's I'd be lucky to see something so beautiful.

Gup
 
NO DEAL HAS BEEN MADE YET!!! Proposals are proposals which mean they can be adjusted. Would ALL you guys on both sides quit acting like three year olds. We are going to be working together in the near future an this bickering has zero value.
 
jetpilot4u said:
From reading all these posts... my conclusion is.....

AirTran pilots = A bunch of ungrateful b@stards!

No eloquence here!
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Ahhhhh......you must be one of the Check FO Kernals that my SW buddies bitch about.

5 posts?, you're a little late in the game for this Kernal. You must of been on AD learning to fly one of those awesome drones. Do you guys still were your G-suits while sitting in the trailer?
 
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I think the generalizations are disingenuous. I don't know that the majority of our pilot group would have taken a new hire job at WN if given the opportunity prior to 9/27 as some insinuate, it's pure speculation. Were there 850 of our pilots that had aps in with WN?

No one questions that one can make more money at WN, we are in the process of determining what that additional money is worth in terms of seniority. To some of us it's not worth as much as you think it is. We are entitled to our opinions just as you are. Sorry the majority of us don't see it your way, that's why we are negotiating.
 
KP, You must be a JOY to fly with! Cutting down military guys like that! Keep your comments about those who defend your freedom to yourself. I consider people like you to be wannabes... oh boo whoo!
 
jetpilot4u said:
KP, You must be a JOY to fly with! Cutting down military guys like that! Keep your comments about those who defend your freedom to yourself. I consider people like you to be wannabes... oh boo whoo!
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So, you didn't answer the question. Do you were your G-suit in the trailer while piloting your drone?
 
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LUV2bflyn said: No one questions that one can make more money at WN, we are in the process of determining what that additional money is worth in terms of seniority. To some of us it's not worth as much as you think it is. We are entitled to our opinions just as you are. Sorry the majority of us don't see it your way, that's why we are negotiating.

Unrealistic argument...it is easy to say that your seniority is more important than money when no matter what is negotiated you are going to get a significant raise...
 
Were there 850 of our pilots that had aps in with WN?
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This is a fact known by Southwest and SWAPA.
 
They know the exact number... You had a question mark after your statement.
 
SWA/FO said:
They know the exact number... You had a question mark after your statement.
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It wasn't a statement, it was a question. For a second, I thought the grammar police were back again. I had to go back and check it, here it is.

Were there 850 of our pilots that had aps in with WN?
 
No one wants to shut anyone down. We want SWA to be bigger and stronger as one. Each AAI pilot has a life, so do everyone else who works there. The balance of finding a deal that works, needs to be kept in mind. Please AAI folks, do not let your leadership undermine the process with leaks and posting it here. It is in both sides interest to work this out in proper context.
 
The only option for a SWA pilot to not experience any harm to their career with this integration is for AAI pilots to take a hit with their seniority. The only option for SWA pilots to experience anything close to Fair and Equitable gains is for AAI pilots to take a further hit in seniority.

Unless your pilot group can offer anything more, that is all that Swapa has to work with. And Gary Kelly understands the importance of keeping this....equal.
 
Tweet-a-Lishus said:
Shut them down!
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Well considering that Mr. Kelly is on The President's Council on jobs and competitiveness I don't think buying a competitor, firing all the employees and shutting them down is quite the kind of PR he would be looking for. Just a hunch. Relax, the MC's will get it all worked out in the end. Can't wait to join the SWA team!!! :-)
 
ASADFW7 said:
From what I have read no SWA postings have leaked information in the deal. The SWA guys are negotiating in good faith, I wonder where the AAI guys are getting their information? Are the AAI leaks to inflame membership when the basic value of many people's livelihoods are on the table. Like it or not, this is serious business going on in Dallas. Swapa is working on a deal, AAI ??? Maybe not so much. The AAI leak does not give the context of the whole package, and that is unfair for everyone not to have the whole context. Like it or not SWA guys are not happy about this, or the leaks. They are also not happy a few AAI pilots are undercutting the process. The average SWA pilot has no cards to undermine the process, it is interesting that pcl is the good will killing machine between our two groups. An alpa rep who is unprofessional and irresponsible with the memberships interest. If in the end there is harm to the AAI pilot group from leaks, pin in on your leadership and individuals who didn't know how to act around big business. Sorry folks these are billion dollar deals, and child games are behind us. Like it or not the deal presented will take a lot of adjustment for both sides.
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I'm not sure your argument holds much water.

SWAPA has insinuated from day 1 that they would see us on the unemeployment line if we didnt agree to their terms.

SWAPA has implied that they will not honor the spirit of the agreements
that they signed.

Whining about good faith now is hilarious and hypocritical.
 
DougCorp-9 said:
Well considering that Mr. Kelly is on The President's Council on jobs and competitiveness I don't think buying a competitor, firing all the employees and shutting them down is quite the kind of PR he would be looking for. Just a hunch. Relax, the MC's will get it all worked out in the end. Can't wait to join the SWA team!!! :-)
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Not to mention making a good first impression on the citizens of what is soon to be your largest hub (ATL)

"Sorry we had to fire your neighbors that used to work at Airtran, but hey why don't you fly on us?"
 
Ace McCoy said:
Not to mention making a good first impression on the citizens of what is soon to be your largest hub (ATL)

"Sorry we had to fire your neighbors that used to work at Airtran, but hey why don't you fly on us?"
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Hmm, i think SWA offered you all jobs and you turned them down right? Yeah, I'm sure everybody will feel really bad for you.
 

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