SWAPA might like SWA proposal

[SWAdude]

DV,

SWAPAs negotiating position (with SWA endorsement) is no SWA pilot will be harmed by this acquisition. SWA pilots cannot hope to achieve the same level of financial benefit the AAI pilots will receive but we can hope to be not be "harmed". Why would you seek arbitration if the outcome is not harmful to SWA pilots and is also beneficial financially to every AAI pilot?

Since there are inherent gains for the AAI pilot, SWA pilots think it is fair to have some gains themselves. Not equal gains, just some gains without harm to any SWA pilot.

I just wonder why it can not be seen by some that what is "Fair" and what is "Equitable" is for both sides. Most SWA pilots all agree that completely equal gains on both sides is difficult to achieve. The AAI pilots will almost certainly gain much more than the average SWA pilot. But there MUST be a gain to narrow the equality of this integration. As pilots, AAI brings no gains to the SWA pilots. The company brings a little international flying which all of the SWA pilots could give a rats a$$ about. There really is nothing the AAI pilots themselves bring to SWA pilots. We are talking contract to contract. Nothing. Zip. Nada. So all what SWA pilots, at a bare basic minimum are going to be certain of, no career potential harm will be brought to their pilots. And that in itself is not fair, or equitable with this integration. There deserves to be more.

 

[GoodTimes]

Last time I checked, we all get ONE vote. Like it or not, when this proposal from SWA management gets endorsed by the respective unions and goes out for a vote, it's likely to pass. The negotiated agreement from the pilot ranks will set the tone for the remainder of the work groups and their integrations. Arbitration is becoming less and less likely.

 

[Empennage]

You're understandably underestimating the level of communication given to the AirTran pilots by their Reps. They are very clear.

I think that SWAPA's reliance on "the many potential outcomes" has affected the way they are negotiating. Unfortunately.

We have a long way to go.

You know this how???????????

 

[PCL_128]

Why would you seek arbitration if the outcome is not harmful to SWA pilots and is also beneficial financially to every AAI pilot?

I don't know why you're talking about financial benefits. We aren't merging pay checks, we're merging seniority. The two have nothing to do with each other.

 

[PCL_128]

Like it or not, when this proposal from SWA management gets endorsed by the respective unions and goes out for a vote, it's likely to pass.

The AirTran MEC did not endorse the proposal. The Merger Committees are back at the bargaining table today.

 

[redflyer65]

I think SWAPA has a pretty good handle on all the varioius ways this could turn out. They have been prepping and saving for this scenerio for many years. Literally spending several million dollars to do the hard research and secure the best attornies in the business.

I think they are pretty grounded in what is ahead.

 

[Empennage]

Last time I checked, we all get ONE vote. Like it or not, when this proposal from SWA management gets endorsed by the respective unions and goes out for a vote, it's likely to pass. The negotiated agreement from the pilot ranks will set the tone for the remainder of the work groups and their integrations. Arbitration is becoming less and less likely.

This is a true statement because Swa management has clearly stated this very thing. This sli is the template moving forward.

If it's not completed at this stage, however, I fully expect Swa management to move on.

Unfortunately we simply do not know enough to comment further. We know there was a proposal, but that is all we know. Will there be something to vote on? maybe or maybe not

 

[redflyer65]

The AirTran MEC did not endorse the proposal. The Merger Committees are back at the bargaining table today.

This should be interesting to see play out.

 

[Empennage]

I don't know why you're talking about financial benefits. We aren't merging pay checks, we're merging seniority. The two have nothing to do with each other.

Then you do not understand the entire aspect of fair and equitable. I'm not being critical, but that much is obvious. Hopefully the groups at large do.

 

[GoodTimes]

The AirTran MEC did not endorse the proposal. The Merger Committees are back at the bargaining table today.

Patience, PCL. It's coming. And me thinks at this point it's less about bargaining and more about language.

 

[GhettoBeechjet]

The AirTran MEC did not endorse the proposal. The Merger Committees are back at the bargaining table today.

Of course they didn't. I wouldn't expect them to. The risk/reward will lead them to drive this straight to arbitration. The simple fact is that no matter how this turns out the AAI pilots will win over the long term. Everything between today and the arbitration hearings is a watse of time. Arbitration is a free lottery ticket for them. I expect the AAI proposals to consist of :

1. AAI pilots get the top 1700 spots
2. Relative seniority no fences at SWA bases and 35 year one way fence around ATL where and SWA pilot bidding into ATL would be stapled in that base.
3. A note to the SWA NC saying "blow me"

 

[redflyer65]

Payraise through new contract after being bought by Southwest - 20%

Giving Gary the Heisman on the SLI proposal - PRICELESS!

 

[jonjuan]

Last time I checked, we all get ONE vote. Like it or not, when this proposal from SWA management gets endorsed by the respective unions and goes out for a vote, it's likely to pass. The negotiated agreement from the pilot ranks will set the tone for the remainder of the work groups and their integrations. Arbitration is becoming less and less.

You know this how???

 

[jonjuan]

Payraise through new contract after being bought by Southwest - 20%

Giving Gary the Heisman on the SLI proposal - PRICELESS!

Weren't you saying that the offer from GK would be a one time deal? That he doesn't negotiate? in life, everything's a negotiation.

 

[GoodTimes]

You get one vote, JJ. Don't like it? Vote no.