SWAPA looking to capture more Capt seats

[scoreboardII]

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[scoreboardII]

Bovine Defecate.

SWAPA had to agree to it as well.... and did so happily. The AAI guys faced non-integration. SWAPA did not. The B-scale will probably haunt you in this round of negotiations. I hope I am wrong but history is pretty clear.

Utter BS, SWAPA had zero say on what AT and SWA ageed to pay AT pilots, ziltch.

Section six will be driven by industry pay, which sucks, not the temporary pay of a JV team.

 

[fletch717]

Utter BS, SWAPA had zero say on what AT and SWA ageed to pay AT pilots, ziltch.

Section six will be driven by industry pay, which sucks, not the temporary pay of a JV team.

The "JV Team"..... Nice. Gee when will you let me on the varsity team coach? You guys are so much better than the rest of us, I hope to be as good as you one day.

 

[fam62c]

Lets put this little fallacy to bed, the scale of wages AT is making until they transition on Jan 1 2015 was agreed to by AT pilots, NOT SWAPA.

It was SWAPA from day one in the negotiations that not only were agreeable to lower pay at the AT division but introduced the concept that seniority had to be traded to get SW pay rates when they should have insisted on keeping seniority and pay separate and not allowed any pilots flying similar equipment for the same parent to be paid less. I don't think any other union in any other other merger attempted to link seniority and pay, in fact, in other cases they tend to make a joint CBA a requirement before seniority gets tackled.

I think you need to review the history of the negotiations, SWAPA linked pay with seniority and that's where a lot of the problems started. It should be water under the bridge at this point but if you look at what SW is proposing for the new FO pay scale concept the idea of lower pay for some pilots has returned. Where do you think they got the idea that this could ever be acceptable to SWAPA?

We can agree to disagree about what happened. I guess these discussions don't really serve any purpose anyway. We will just have to see where the negotiations go because we will all be living with whatever gets negotiated in the next contract.

 

[DonVerita]

Lets put this little fallacy to bed, the scale of wages AT is making until they transition on Jan 1 2015 was agreed to by AT pilots, NOT SWAPA.

That is 100% BS and if you don't know that by now then you are massively ill-informed. NO AirTran pilot, not one, wanted the B-Scale wages we are currently on. It was part of the SLI #2 package that we didn't want either because it stole a bunch of our seniority and all 737 CA seats. But when SWA management, in cahoots with SWAPA, holds a gun to your head and says Vote Yes or risk not being integrated, it kind of leaves very little in the way of options.

ATN came off their relative seniority position and were willing to settle for straight date of hire and let the CA positions fall where they may based on DOH. But you guys had too much of a hard on for that and couldn't bring yourselves to the fairness table. You had to "get something". Why did that "something" have to come out of the flesh of ATN pilots? Couldn't you just have gotten GK to refund your PFT type ratings instead?

 

[scoreboardII]

Fact: AT pilots agreed to be paid lower wages. End of discussion.

 

[fletch717]

Fact: AT pilots agreed to be paid lower wages. End of discussion.

You're an idiot

 

[dicko]

It was SWAPA from day one in the negotiations that not only were agreeable to lower pay at the AT division but introduced the concept that seniority had to be traded to get SW pay rates when they should have insisted on keeping seniority and pay separate and not allowed any pilots flying similar equipment for the same parent to be paid less. I don't think any other union in any other other merger attempted to link seniority and pay, in fact, in other cases they tend to make a joint CBA a requirement before seniority gets tackled.

I think you need to review the history of the negotiations, SWAPA linked pay with seniority and that's where a lot of the problems started. It should be water under the bridge at this point but if you look at what SW is proposing for the new FO pay scale concept the idea of lower pay for some pilots has returned. Where do you think they got the idea that this could ever be acceptable to SWAPA?

We can agree to disagree about what happened. I guess these discussions don't really serve any purpose anyway. We will just have to see where the negotiations go because we will all be living with whatever gets negotiated in the next contract.

Scoreboard. If you think your version is more accurate than the real version above ....... "You weren't their man"

 

[DonVerita]

Thank your MEC for that..... If they had allowed a membership vote on the first offer, you'd be making the same pay as us right now.

Based on the FI rhetoric, you guys weren't concerned about the pay at all, just seniority. Gary helped you out, and gave you exactly what you asked for.

Oh really? So Gary gave us exactly what we wanted - seniority, right? If what you say is correct, then you are just as ill/mis-informed as Scoreboard. If we got seniority, then why am I still taking a 3 year seniority hit? Answer that.

As for the MEC, they did exactly what they were supposed to do...they voted down an SLI that was blatently unfair to the ATN pilots in terms of seniority loss. And let us not forget that seniority is everything, no matter what airline you work for. Sure, the pay was there in SLI 1, as it should be, but that never should have been an issue. Same pay for same work. Got a problem with that? SWAPA committed a cardinal sin by allowing a B-scale on property.

Where the MEC did screw up was in allowing SLI 2 to go to a membership vote. If SLI 1 was so disgusting that the MEC voted it down, why wouldn't they vote down SLI 2 which was even more abhorrent? They should have said, "F-this, we're going straight to arbitration" and let a neutral 3rd party decide this.

 

[funnyman12]

Well SWAPA if you get forced into concessions, it is still a pay raise for us b-scale trannies. We are 1740 pilots that have been trashed like second class pilots. If SWAPA ends up in a protracted fight with management in negotiations, say bye bye to us FAG pilots supporting SWAPA. We may only be 25% your size now, but every year many more SW pilots retire than Airtran. Hence every year you will have a larger % of Airtran pilots. I cant believe that 10 months after the SLI is done SWAPA continued every divisive tactic to fan the flames. I look forward to retirements knowing that our influence grows.