SWAPA looking to capture more Capt seats

[fam62c]

I'm not surprised at the "B scale " proposal. By allowing the AT guys to fly for a division of the company at a lower pay scale for years the camel got it's nose under the tent and management knows that this is something that can be sold. They know that the people already on property will allow this to happen if there's something in it for them or if it prevents them from losing something. This is why you never allow multiple levels of compensation. Now SWAPA will have to either give in to the flattened, lengthened payscale concept or burn up negotiating capital that could be used for other things to prevent it. Get ready for a negotiation that will go on for many years like it does in the rest of the industry. SWA isn't going to give the pilots anything else, they will be lucky to hold on to what they have.

 

[redflyer65]

The B-scale was floated to make it LOOK like they would take something. SWAPA won't agree to anything like that. All they have to do is point to the Dispatch agreement and the rise of the Executive VP level with 'new' compensation package that it entails. These are just opening positions that equate to sabre rattling. It's also easy to point out that Gary decided to buy a company and only wanted 30-40% of it. His choice, not ours.

 

[General Lee]

I'm not surprised at the "B scale " proposal. By allowing the AT guys to fly for a division of the company at a lower pay scale for years the camel got it's nose under the tent and management knows that this is something that can be sold. They know that the people already on property will allow this to happen if there's something in it for them or if it prevents them from losing something. This is why you never allow multiple levels of compensation. Now SWAPA will have to either give in to the flattened, lengthened payscale concept or burn up negotiating capital that could be used for other things to prevent it. Get ready for a negotiation that will go on for many years like it does in the rest of the industry. SWA isn't going to give the pilots anything else, they will be lucky to hold on to what they have.

I agree. If management wanted a "B-scale", then I doubt they wanted to increase the "A scale." I see SWAPA trying to keep status quo as long as they can, and negotiations will continue for a long while.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[texman]

I don't think any new hire at SWA should be on a B Scale. We are no different, we just got here first.

 

[ngsp]

leave me in my position so that i don't have to commute to the west coast and i will fly for the rest of my career on airtran payscales. the swapa brats just don't get it. it was never about the money. we just wanted to feel like we were wanted and appreciated and not feel like an outsider. you know, the whole one LUV thing, but i guess there is just not enough toys for all the kids. so here we are, 1700 pissed off airtran guys, 3000 pissed of southwest f/o's just to make 300 or so senior f/o's happy with a forever junior upgrade. that is some dumb a** math in anyones book. they were so hell bent on taking our captain seats that they never considered what it was going to do to the bottom 50% of the chosen ones and now they are mad after reality sets in. breaks my heart buttercup.

i look forward to the fact that i can make someones life miserable by bumping them out of their chosen base as a senior f/o. it makes me smile everytime i see an f/o in the concourse to know that i can take his position at will. the guys that are upgrading will be in OAK for a very long time when 1/1/15 rolls around. we will start taking back what was unjustly stolen from us. you can keep your culture. we all know the truth and it is not pretty. i will show up, shut up, cooperate and graduate, but don't expect many of the airtran guys to support a bunch of self centered, spoiled rotten, never had a bad day in their career bullies.

we wanted date of hire and swapa wanted us unemployed. we got right down the middle of the two with alot of help from our new step dad.

you guys keep telling us to suck it up and live by what we voted on. i agree, but take a long look in the mirror and take you own advice.

signed
a soon to be senior f/o with a smile on my face.

ps. and steve chase can kiss my ****

 

[jonjuan]

I agree. If management wanted a "B-scale", then I doubt they wanted to increase the "A scale." I see SWAPA trying to keep status quo as long as they can, and negotiations will continue for a long while.


Bye Bye---General Lee

And that both makes you happy and a d-bag.

 

[redflyer65]

Date of Hire was a pipe dream. If ALPA sold that to you, then you need a refund. I thought Agreement One was better for all, but it's water under the bridge at this point.

 

[Juniority]

leave me in my position so that i don't have to commute to the west coast and i will fly for the rest of my career on airtran payscales. the swapa brats just don't get it. it was never about the money. we just wanted to feel like we were wanted and appreciated and not feel like an outsider. you know, the whole one LUV thing, but i guess there is just not enough toys for all the kids. so here we are, 1700 pissed off airtran guys, 3000 pissed of southwest f/o's just to make 300 or so senior f/o's happy with a forever junior upgrade. that is some dumb a** math in anyones book. they were so hell bent on taking our captain seats that they never considered what it was going to do to the bottom 50% of the chosen ones and now they are mad after reality sets in. breaks my heart buttercup.

i look forward to the fact that i can make someones life miserable by bumping them out of their chosen base as a senior f/o. it makes me smile everytime i see an f/o in the concourse to know that i can take his position at will. the guys that are upgrading will be in OAK for a very long time when 1/1/15 rolls around. we will start taking back what was unjustly stolen from us. you can keep your culture. we all know the truth and it is not pretty. i will show up, shut up, cooperate and graduate, but don't expect many of the airtran guys to support a bunch of self centered, spoiled rotten, never had a bad day in their career bullies.

we wanted date of hire and swapa wanted us unemployed. we got right down the middle of the two with alot of help from our new step dad.

you guys keep telling us to suck it up and live by what we voted on. i agree, but take a long look in the mirror and take you own advice.

signed
a soon to be senior f/o with a smile on my face.

ps. and steve chase can kiss my ****

Hope you're able to relax and get through a three or four day without blowing up the cockpit.

Chances are the guy sitting to your left had next to nothing to do with putting you in your current situation and he probably just wants to enjoy his Starbucks and get to the hotel on time (or if it's a PM trip, anywhere less than 2 hours late).

 

[humveedriver]

I think S.C.'s little update would have been fine if he left out the upgrade part. How can he be that much of a clown? Doesn't somebody in SWAPA help him with these releases? I thought the whole thing was pretty good till I got to the upgrade part, and then I was like; " Dude! That was so 10 months ago!"

 

[vv100]

leave me in my position so that i don't have to commute to the west coast and i will fly for the rest of my career on airtran payscales. the swapa brats just don't get it. it was never about the money. we just wanted to feel like we were wanted and appreciated and not feel like an outsider. you know, the whole one LUV thing, but i guess there is just not enough toys for all the kids. so here we are, 1700 pissed off airtran guys, 3000 pissed of southwest f/o's just to make 300 or so senior f/o's happy with a forever junior upgrade. that is some dumb a** math in anyones book. they were so hell bent on taking our captain seats that they never considered what it was going to do to the bottom 50% of the chosen ones and now they are mad after reality sets in. breaks my heart buttercup.

i look forward to the fact that i can make someones life miserable by bumping them out of their chosen base as a senior f/o. it makes me smile everytime i see an f/o in the concourse to know that i can take his position at will. the guys that are upgrading will be in OAK for a very long time when 1/1/15 rolls around. we will start taking back what was unjustly stolen from us. you can keep your culture. we all know the truth and it is not pretty. i will show up, shut up, cooperate and graduate, but don't expect many of the airtran guys to support a bunch of self centered, spoiled rotten, never had a bad day in their career bullies.

we wanted date of hire and swapa wanted us unemployed. we got right down the middle of the two with alot of help from our new step dad.

you guys keep telling us to suck it up and live by what we voted on. i agree, but take a long look in the mirror and take you own advice.

signed
a soon to be senior f/o with a smile on my face.

ps. and steve chase can kiss my ****

Stay classy Tranny.

Thanks for the left seat.

Biatch.