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Lonestar
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Lear, I think your MC left out a few steps.
1. SWA forms Guadalupe Holdings,
2. Guadalupe Holdings purchases AirTran,
3. Guadalupe Holdings merges with AirTran and retains the AirTran name,
4. SWA forms Sub LLC,
5. Sub LLC merges with AirTran (formerly Guadalupe Holdings) and retains the AirTran name,
6. AirTran (Sub LLC) is a wholly owned of Southwest Airlines in a similar setup to American Eagle and American or formerly Comair and Delta.
This is what I meant. The latest Merger Agreement States all this, but what you left out is AT holdings name will cease to exists. It will be the Post transaction that will terminate it. So I hope that All the AT bro's don't hate on us but only on there shareholders. We have nothing to do with it.
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7. Gary Kelly investigated by the SEC for making false statements to Southwest and AirTran shareholers.
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Don't worry, I dont take anthing personal. Besides, I'm sure you guys will offer the same benevolence if the SLI doesn't go the way you want it to.
Dude you are such a tool. Go and see the latest SEC filing. GK/BF is being up front. March 23rd you will know how it will go down. If you want a preview go see for your self. Educate your self. I just don't want you to be a SWA hater.
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I'm sorry, but I just stated that I don't take this shiz personal. You and I have no control over the final outcome but with some of the scorched earth posts I read from SOME of you guys, I worry about how SOME of you will react when the SLI comes out.
General Lee
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Now THAT sounds like the famous Southwest "Culture"! Have a red-headed stepchild as a seperate entity. Yeah, if that is even remotely close to the eventual truth, that is gonna be really fun. I think my employer is going to LUV it. Talk about unhappy and not productive. It's gonna make riots in the Middle East look tame. GK sure does need to read the merger handbook if he wants to see any beneficial "synergies." Very doubtful this would happen. Nah! Airtran, the "Southwest Connect." This USAir-like trainwreck is getting more fun to watch each day.
Bye Bye--General Lee
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Section 1 Violation
Wouldn't this be a major violation of SWAPA's Section 1 Scope Clause?
Wouldn't this be a major violation of SWAPA's Section 1 Scope Clause?
General Lee
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Don't let them get to you. You are right, they have no control over the SLI at all. And, I am sure ALPA is monitoring the Guadaloupe stuff. Sounds far-fetched to me. Just chillax and wait for your lawyers to fight for you. Good luck.
Bye Bye--General Lee
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I'm worried about you guys, and what bs us swa pilots are going to put up with. It will be AT share holders that decide. Latest Merger Agreement states why AT is being sold. I am all about fair via A/M and M/B.
I'm worried about you guys, and what bs us swa pilots are going to put up with. It will be AT share holders that decide. Latest Merger Agreement states why AT is being sold. I am all about fair via A/M and M/B.
This deal structure has been very public and very clearly defined since the beginning. You just haven't been paying attention.
Our section 1 allows for separate operations for no longer than 24 months or whatever longer period Swapa and Southwest decide.
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Didn't the SW pilots vote down a TA due to domestic codeshares? Yeah operating a regional with lower wages and the same equipment is a super idea. I will be a happy grateful pilot when SW owns us but geez guys you are sure being mean to a fellow pilot that us just an employee of an airline that was bought.
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This was laid out on Sep 26 2010 as the plan of the merger. In both documents 'AirTran' becomes a subsidiary of SWA.
In the new Merger document AirTran is merged into and with a LLC. The LLC subsidiary becomes the surviving company.
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We have ironclad domestic codeshare protection. I believe it will then be the function of the fences to come.
It will be up to SWAPA to release (temporarily) the codeshare relief for XX number of years and possibly re-visit it later. I would think there will be no relief from the CRJ portion. Something like "all CRJ flying will stop within 90 days of this agreement".
This is going to be interesting no doubt.
It will be up to SWAPA to release (temporarily) the codeshare relief for XX number of years and possibly re-visit it later. I would think there will be no relief from the CRJ portion. Something like "all CRJ flying will stop within 90 days of this agreement".
This is going to be interesting no doubt.
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I think you misunderstood me. I can't see any change in the process from the Sep 26 document with regard to the LLC. It's the same plan.
What's changed ?
The reason I brought all this up, is the LLC will not be part of our Ops. It will be separate for a long time. So what is the point of a SLI. All I see is a merger of AT into a sub LLC that has no planes or crew.
So all this talk on FI is pointless.
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You guys are absolutely ridiculous! Southwest is one sharp operator (no I do not work there) they aren't going to create a subsidiary where all the pilots are pissed off and therefore jeopardize their operation.
Airtran WILL get merged into your operation and there will be some equitable SLI. To think otherwise is lunacy!
Good luck children.
Airtran WILL get merged into your operation and there will be some equitable SLI. To think otherwise is lunacy!
Good luck children.
Laura Wright– Southwest Airlines Co. – SVP Finance and CFO
Okay, so the question I think was how we see the Company evolving post-AirTran over the next two to three years.
Certainly, AirTran is going to be our significant — it's going to be a significant effort for us.
When we close, we anticipate we will have two separate airlines, but over time we will transition into one airline, one brand, one product. That's probably going to take two to three years.
We are very excited about the acquisition because we think AirTran brings a lot of things to Southwest. Certainly, Atlanta was an important, important piece to us. It's an airport that has limited access, and AirTran has a great presence there.
With Atlanta, we're going to be able to do a lot more with the rest of the Southwest network. For example, there's a lot of cities that AirTran doesn't serve out of Atlanta where Southwest has a huge presence. So we see opportunities there.
AirTran gives us more access to some places we couldn't get into, like Washington Reagan, so we're going to be picking up some flight activity there. It also allows us to grow our presence at New York LaGuardia with the slots that they have.
So, but I think for you to think about bigger picture is we will have a larger network. We will have more cities and the value that you get when you bring those together is exponential. We think we will be able to tap some markets, combined, between the two networks that neither of us would have been able to do alone.
Okay, so the question I think was how we see the Company evolving post-AirTran over the next two to three years.
Certainly, AirTran is going to be our significant — it's going to be a significant effort for us.
When we close, we anticipate we will have two separate airlines, but over time we will transition into one airline, one brand, one product. That's probably going to take two to three years.
We are very excited about the acquisition because we think AirTran brings a lot of things to Southwest. Certainly, Atlanta was an important, important piece to us. It's an airport that has limited access, and AirTran has a great presence there.
With Atlanta, we're going to be able to do a lot more with the rest of the Southwest network. For example, there's a lot of cities that AirTran doesn't serve out of Atlanta where Southwest has a huge presence. So we see opportunities there.
AirTran gives us more access to some places we couldn't get into, like Washington Reagan, so we're going to be picking up some flight activity there. It also allows us to grow our presence at New York LaGuardia with the slots that they have.
So, but I think for you to think about bigger picture is we will have a larger network. We will have more cities and the value that you get when you bring those together is exponential. We think we will be able to tap some markets, combined, between the two networks that neither of us would have been able to do alone.
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I'd rather it DIDN'T take that long to realize the cost savings of combined operations, strictly for the financial benefit of the company, but if it does, it does. I'm not going to worry about something I don't have the ability to change, life's too short for that.
This is all a moot point, anyway. In truth, our Merger Committee is COMPLETELY AUTONOMOUS, independent even from the AirTran ALPA leadership. They've been appointed and they act as they see fit in conjunction with attorney input.
Subsequently, arguing with each other on here does absolutely zero good to affect what happens at the table.
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The entire leadership cadre isn't there for all the meetings, just one at this point, and from the way the committee is structured, he can give "thoughts and input", but has no actual say in what the committee decides to do.
It would take an MEC vote to change that power setup and the political fallout over changing it at this point would *NOT* be pretty. You'd likely see new MEC leadership appointed that would make the MC autonomous again. People here feel pretty strongly about not allowing the MEC Leadership to meddle with the MC. We have elections ongoing for two new base LEC's (MKE and MCO) and that's a recurring them for candidates: "How do you feel about the MC and do you support leaving them autonomous?"
Funny... and true.
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