SWA wants to fly from HOU to MEX and SouthAmerica

[Secret Squirrel]

Well then you have nothing to worry about. So why have you been worrying about it for 30 pages? You sound very scared and must believe socialistic and protectionist policies are they only way you can compete. And it seems UNICAL believes the same thing. It seems to be the way this country is going. If you can't beat them with your product, beat them with your lawyers.

 

[FlyinGuy]

Something like a 9-11 ought not transpire and it be such a windfall for only one airline segment.

Flop, I am confused by this statement. Could you please elaborate. Thanks.

 

[Flopgut]

Flop, I am confused by this statement. Could you please elaborate. Thanks.

Sure. Of course, it ought not happen at all.

However, when 4 planes from just 2 airlines are involved because the company names match the name of our country? Something ought to be done other than just let those companies be ruined. Is there not a shred of National pride we could have taken instead of just pointing to market forces? The combined UAL and CAL is still smaller than UAL was 11 years ago. American is now in bk, and if you look close at mgt behavior in the last decade, it's clear bk has been their plan all along.

This Country supports a space program, has aircraft manufactures that build the world's best airliner, military, general, business aircraft. We have the most powerful and sophisticated military. Fractional and LCC flourish here. UPS and Fedex are US companies that run the table on world air frieght. But for some reason our legacy airlines are always in the toilet. Really? Is that something we're just not good at? Or do we simply not let them run?

This Country has de and re-regulated, downsized and otherwise ripped apart so many great legacy brands, it's unbelievable. Legacy airlines right now can't even get Uncle Sam to stop using taxpayer money to provide below prime financing to airlines like India's JetAirways and UAE's Emirates!! It's unbelievable and it has to stop.

I realize SWA is simply doing what they are suppose to do. But something like this terminal at Hobby is something they ought not feel entitled to and they need to understand their handouts need to cease.

Hey, I'm taking some time off from this forum. After this thread I've had enough for a while. If anybody expresses some real heartburn here in the next few hours, I'll respond. But otherwise I'm outta here...

 

[FlyinGuy]

All I can say is.....WOW!!!

 

[PCL_128]

Because frankly, it looks like amatuer hour. You've been erroneous, made delusional claims, and been alltogether sloppy.

Pretty much the way I see your posts in this thread.

 

[scoreboardII]

Sure. Of course, it ought not happen at all.

However, when 4 planes from just 2 airlines are involved because the company names match the name of our country? Something ought to be done other than just let those companies be ruined. Is there not a shred of National pride we could have taken instead of just pointing to market forces? The combined UAL and CAL is still smaller than UAL was 11 years ago. American is now in bk, and if you look close at mgt behavior in the last decade, it's clear bk has been their plan all along.

This Country supports a space program, has aircraft manufactures that build the world's best airliner, military, general, business aircraft. We have the most powerful and sophisticated military. Fractional and LCC flourish here. UPS and Fedex are US companies that run the table on world air frieght. But for some reason our legacy airlines are always in the toilet. Really? Is that something we're just not good at? Or do we simply not let them run?

This Country has de and re-regulated, downsized and otherwise ripped apart so many great legacy brands, it's unbelievable. Legacy airlines right now can't even get Uncle Sam to stop using taxpayer money to provide below prime financing to airlines like India's JetAirways and UAE's Emirates!! It's unbelievable and it has to stop.

I realize SWA is simply doing what they are suppose to do. But something like this terminal at Hobby is something they ought not feel entitled to and they need to understand their handouts need to cease.

Hey, I'm taking some time off from this forum. After this thread I've had enough for a while. If anybody expresses some real heartburn here in the next few hours, I'll respond. But otherwise I'm outta here...

You are being hypocritical, you want to stop governmental help of US companies which make airplanes, yet you want the governement to help your company make a monopoly.

 

[outerlimits]

Pretty much the way I see your posts in this thread.

Flop is an idiot, no other way to explain it . I think he is the type that just wants to argue, does not matter what side he is on.

 

[waveflyer]

Flop,
So then in my big cut and paste- you never responded to this:

"HOUSTON, June 28 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Continental Airlines
(NYSE: CAL) today issued the following statement in response to the Air
Transportation Stabilization Board's decision regarding the United Airlines
application for a federal loan guarantee:
"United Airlines is a great franchise with exceptional employees. The
more than 70,000 hard-working men and women of United have made tremendous
sacrifices in recent years, as have tens of thousands of employees at
Continental Airlines and the rest of the industry. In addition, United's
efforts to reduce costs and generate additional revenue have made the airline
a stronger competitor.
"The wide support among political leaders and others for United's loan
guarantee application showed a great commitment to the airline's employees.
However, given United's success in reshaping itself, the ATSB and its members
made the appropriate decision after their careful and thorough assessment of
United's needs and the industry's position. They should be applauded for that
decision.
"The challenges facing the U.S. airline industry are many, but the most
appropriate course of action is to allow the marketplace to determine the
shape of the industry.
"Continental Airlines is confident that private investment and further
structural change -- rather than government intervention -- can position
United Airlines for success in this difficult environment."



SOURCE Continental Airlines"

Do you see why you're talking out of both sides of your mouth now. CAL was against UAL getting a loan guarantee. I was very much for it, so don't make it personal to me- but CAL agreed with the ATSB-

Is your argument not hypocritical considering the above?

 

[Flopgut]

Pretty much the way I see your posts in this thread.

All I want to hear out of you is: "Yup, you showed me proof". You said if I produced it, you would acknowledge it...

You are being hypocritical, you want to stop governmental help of US companies which make airplanes, yet you want the governement to help your company make a monopoly.

Well, I'm not being clear then. I don't want help to stop for manufacturers. I think it's great that all these other areas of aviation are successful. Just want the same regard for legacies.

Flop is an idiot, no other way to explain it . I think he is the type that just wants to argue, does not matter what side he is on.

I'm an idiot? You needed help spelling "Baron" right in your profile! Spelling errors happen... but not the names of airplanes you've flown.

Flop,
So then in my big cut and paste- you never responded to this:

"HOUSTON, June 28 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Continental Airlines
(NYSE: CAL) today issued the following statement in response to the Air
Transportation Stabilization Board's decision regarding the United Airlines
application for a federal loan guarantee:
"United Airlines is a great franchise with exceptional employees. The
more than 70,000 hard-working men and women of United have made tremendous
sacrifices in recent years, as have tens of thousands of employees at
Continental Airlines and the rest of the industry. In addition, United's
efforts to reduce costs and generate additional revenue have made the airline
a stronger competitor.
"The wide support among political leaders and others for United's loan
guarantee application showed a great commitment to the airline's employees.
However, given United's success in reshaping itself, the ATSB and its members
made the appropriate decision after their careful and thorough assessment of
United's needs and the industry's position. They should be applauded for that
decision.
"The challenges facing the U.S. airline industry are many, but the most
appropriate course of action is to allow the marketplace to determine the
shape of the industry.
"Continental Airlines is confident that private investment and further
structural change -- rather than government intervention -- can position
United Airlines for success in this difficult environment."



SOURCE Continental Airlines"

Do you see why you're talking out of both sides of your mouth now. CAL was against UAL getting a loan guarantee. I was very much for it, so don't make it personal to me- but CAL agreed with the ATSB-

Is your argument not hypocritical considering the above?

Personally, I was in favor of UAL getting a loan. Both applications. You have to remember that between CAL and UAL, there was a lot of hostility held over from the "screw CAL" days in Denver. IMHO, that influenced the tone coming from CAL mgt right up to when Jeff Smisek took over.

Look, I'm on here one last time to say this: I made my point. I think there is a very good case to stop the new terminal in Hobby. Even so, I don't think it's better than 50/50. Southwest simply get's favoritism in the end. So we shall see what happens.

I think a few of you who berrated me for having no proof of a possible restriction, ought to be big enough to agree that maybe there is...

I'm dropping this at least until after the 8th, or some major news.

 

[Captain X]

JHFC-on-a-stick!

31 pages and the only thing worthwhile was the utilization of "corndog" for a SWA jet.

 

[scoreboardII]

Mayor leaning toward saying YES to SWA

Houston Mayor Thoughts on Hobby

Chron.com

Mayor: Hobby expansion good for Houston

It was not a formal recommendation to grant Southwest Airlines permission to expand its operations at Hobby Airportso it can start international flights, but after Wednesday’s Council meeting Mayor Annise Parker made perhaps her strongest statement to date in favor of the proposal.

Parker will not make a formal recommendation to Council until at least next month. First, there’s a May 8 hearing at which Southwest lays out why the city should grant it permission to build a Customs facility and five gates at Hobby and United Airlines argues why it would be a bad idea for Houston. The city is also scheduling meetings in Hobby’s District I and Bush Intercontinental’s District B to gather community input.

But Parker appeared to show her hand yesterday when asked about the battle over Hobby. She said:

I have looked at the legal issues. I have looked at the economic issues. I tend to discount economic studies as always being overly optimistic, but there’s no question in my mind that we have an obligation to allow Southwest to proceed at their expense to construct the new terminals and there’s no doubt in my mind that it will enhance competitiveness in the market and be good for the citizens of Houston.

The study to which she refers was commissioned by the Houston Airport System and concludes that expanding Hobby would create 10,000 jobs and inject $1.6 billion into the local economy annually. United disputes that and is wrapping up its own study.

Mayor’s spokeswoman Janice Evans confirmed that the statement was not an official endorsement of the Hobby plan.

“We are still moving forward with stakeholder meetings and gathering information. She will make her formal recommendation when we’ve gathered that information,” Evans told me this morning.

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[flyingitalian]

There is so much accurate and thoroughly vetted data that would have to be ignored for the City to allow this, it simply should not happen.

30 something pages WOW.

Hey Flop answer me one question. What issue exactly is before the city of Houston?

 

[PCL_128]

All I want to hear out of you is: "Yup, you showed me proof". You said if I produced it, you would acknowledge it...

And as soon as you show proof, I'll acknowledge it. So far, hasn't happened. And I don't think it ever will.

 

[scoreboardII]

Here's proof:

But Parker appeared to show her hand yesterday when asked about the battle over Hobby. She said:

I have looked at the legal issues. I have looked at the economic issues. I tend to discount economic studies as always being overly optimistic, but there’s no question in my mind that we have an obligation to allow Southwest to proceed at their expense to construct the new terminals and there’s no doubt in my mind that it will enhance competitiveness in the market and be good for the citizens of Houston.

 

[waveflyer]

The mayor isn't the issue- its the city council that will make the decision.
Don't under-estimate UALs influence over them- write letters and sign the petition-
The only way FOs are getting to the left seat is to grow- we need this for that.
The city council has to know there will be a national backlash against them if they create a restriction here.