SWA today like the airline in the book, "Nuts!"?

[slaquer5]

Actually they don't, they have narrow body and separate wide body rates. UPS also wears brown uniforms but please, let's just stick with loud ties and Fonzi jackets.

Your posts always make me laugh


SBII,

So what are you saying the pay should be for Q 400. ?

 

[scoreboardII]

Since pilots gave them the 800 for same as the 700, they get the Q400 for the same as the 700. Now, I know they can't make that work, but it's our starting point.

 

[redflyer65]

Redeyes aren't so bad. . . . . Beats a 4:30 a.m. van to a 3 leg day.

With a redeye, you usually do one leg to the West Coast. Layover for 24 hours, fly one leg back. You finish by 7o a.m. or so. . . . Go home, take a nap. Not a big deal.

If you're a commuter, though, they suck, because once you finish, you have to sit around for hours waiting for your flight home . . . that's when your eyes start to bleed. :laugh:

I understand Ty, and I'm glad there are people that like them. I'm on the opposite end of that equation.

I'll take the early van (not sure I've ever seen a 4:30 one though...ouch)and three legs to base by Noon. I live in base, so I'm in my house by 1pm with drink in hand by the pool. If you commute, your on your flight by 2pm typically.

To each there own. I like a half day off on my last day with no need for a nap.

You headed this way soon?

 

[waveflyer]

Uh, no, the 787/widebody is a game changer, they will pay industry or they wont have a contract.

The bite on giving the 800 the same rate as all the other 737's was simply the threat at the time, introduction of a smaller airframe. Smaller airframe, same pay as a 737. If you bring in widebody, far international, then we have a different story, and different pay scales.

I'm not sure we disagree... Yet.

I want a rate set for whatever widebody we MAY get- I just want that new rate blended in to everyone's pay scale -

If you want a legacy type subset of widebody pilots who individually get paid much more than the rest of us- then yes; we disagree and I hope our pilot group is WISER than that.

 

[waveflyer]

Actually they don't, they have narrow body and separate wide body rates. UPS also wears brown uniforms but please, let's just stick with loud ties and Fonzi jackets.

You're thinking FedEx there champ-
http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/cargo/united_parcel_service

I don't mind the loud ties, but yeah- that leather jacket needs an update(!)
Bad

 

[waveflyer]

I understand Ty, and I'm glad there are people that like them. I'm on the opposite end of that equation.

I'll take the early van (not sure I've ever seen a 4:30 one though...ouch)and three legs to base by Noon. I live in base, so I'm in my house by 1pm with drink in hand by the pool. If you commute, your on your flight by 2pm typically.

To each there own. I like a half day off on my last day with no need for a nap.

You headed this way soon?

If you live west some of those 5am reports are really 2am-
Red-eyes are much easier for the PMer west crowd than east coast AMs

 

[Kharma Police]

You're thinking FedEx there champ-
http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/cargo/united_parcel_service

I don't mind the loud ties, but yeah- that leather jacket needs an update(!)
Bad

The fact that UPS doesn't have any wide-bodies (757 aside) has no bearing, you are correct, I was wrong. You may have won this round Wave, but I'll be back!

 

[Kharma Police]

Your posts always make me laugh


SBII,

So what are you saying the pay should be for Q 400. ?

Thanks man, respect knuckles to you.

 

[scoreboardII]

I'm not sure we disagree... Yet.

I want a rate set for whatever widebody we MAY get- I just want that new rate blended in to everyone's pay scale -

If you want a legacy type subset of widebody pilots who individually get paid much more than the rest of us- then yes; we disagree and I hope our pilot group is WISER than that.

Not a horrible concept, but very unwieldy. Imagine the formula to compute that, then the steps required to verify the company keeps the fleets at an agreed level, flown at an agreed level. I think we would do it, but the company would only go for it if it heavily favored them. As in, our top rate is $189 now, pilots determine a blended rate is $180, but the company wants $160 to be safe. I also think anyone at the top tier pay rate will scoff any attempt to lower their "I got mine" top rate, which is 100% of our captains. So chances of a blended rate at SWA, zero.

 

[waveflyer]

The fact that UPS doesn't have any wide-bodies (757 aside) has no bearing, you are correct, I was wrong. You may have won this round Wave, but I'll be back!

Probably not my man-
Bc 1/3 of their fleet are those 75 757's - they only have 162 of all those other widebody models

 

[waveflyer]

Not a horrible concept, but very unwieldy. Imagine the formula to compute that, then the steps required to verify the company keeps the fleets at an agreed level, flown at an agreed level. I think we would do it, but the company would only go for it if it heavily favored them. As in, our top rate is $189 now, pilots determine a blended rate is $180, but the company wants $160 to be safe. I also think anyone at the top tier pay rate will scoff any attempt to lower their "I got mine" top rate, which is 100% of our captains. So chances of a blended rate at SWA, zero.

I have no idea what you're talking about
Seriously-
I'm not talking about changing anything about our current payscale or taking away rewards of being topped out or senior-
I'm just saying we set a rate for the widebody and combine it in with our 737 rates-
Lets just make math easy - we buy 50 787's- new rate $250 a trip- 700 737's at $200/trip= blended rate for all pilots of $203.33
(X-50*$250=$12,500; Y-700*$200=$140,000; $140k+$12.5k=$152,500/750 a/c= $203.33 tfp)
If we eventually get 300 wide bodies, then that's $215tfp

It's about unity within our union which will lead to better contracts- and QOL, not chasing the damn carrot our whole career filling up the training department with unnecessary events as pilots inevitably go for the money- (and money almost always leads to pride and separatism in our union) - the pilot group still captures the productivity of the larger plane- and yes I know it gets severely diluted for the individual by our masses of 737 narrowbodies- but you have to think big picture-

If you're 62, what kind of flying do you want to do? Would you like a choice? Or do you want to purposefully set up a situation where you have to fly wide in order to capture the full value of your career?
I don't.

With separate pay rates, only pilots who choose to fly wide and are senior enough to hold the widebody a/c will ever capture the full value of the SWA career-
A blended rate ensures that EVERY pilot will capture the full value no matter what choice they make or what their seniority holds-
I'm young and that's a good thing- way more secure

 

[slaquer5]

I have no idea what you're talking about
Seriously-
I'm not talking about changing anything about our current payscale or taking away rewards of being topped out or senior-
I'm just saying we set a rate for the widebody and combine it in with our 737 rates-
Lets just make math easy - we buy 50 787's- new rate $250 a trip- 700 737's at $200/trip= blended rate for all pilots of $203.33
(X-50*$250=$12,500; Y-700*$200=$140,000; $140k+$12.5k=$152,500/750 a/c= $203.33 tfp)
If we eventually get 300 wide bodies, then that's $215tfp

It's about unity within our union which will lead to better contracts- and QOL, not chasing the damn carrot our whole career filling up the training department with unnecessary events as pilots inevitably go for the money- (and money almost always leads to pride and separatism in our union) - the pilot group still captures the productivity of the larger plane- and yes I know it gets severely diluted for the individual by our masses of 737 narrowbodies- but you have to think big picture-

If you're 62, what kind of flying do you want to do? Would you like a choice? Or do you want to purposefully set up a situation where you have to fly wide in order to capture the full value of your career?
I don't.

With separate pay rates, only pilots who choose to fly wide and are senior enough to hold the widebody a/c will ever capture the full value of the SWA career-
A blended rate ensures that EVERY pilot will capture the full value no matter what choice they make or what their seniority holds-
I'm young and that's a good thing- way more secure

You left out the lower pay scale GK would be using for the Q 400 in your math .

SWA would have more Q400 than 787s

 

[jball2]

Sounds a little socialist to me. Not hatin, just sayin.

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[jonjuan]

Sounds a little socialist to me. Not hatin, just sayin.

Yes she is. You just figured out her political leanings?

 

[Kharma Police]

Probably not my man-
Bc 1/3 of their fleet are those 75 757's - they only have 162 of all those other widebody models

Did you not read my post?, I said you were correct. With that one pay scale that you champion at UPS (with the same pay for flying that tiny little 757), they still have pilots on furlough. You are quite an expert on UPS, a little trouble in paradise got you thinking about what brown can do for you if they hire again?