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canyonblue said:
Yeah, that Wizard would be Gary Kelly, who put in place your ability to become a Southwest Pilot without a 737 Type Rating. Also you didn't need the 1000 hours of Turbine PIC, so thank him at the breakfast.
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WOW, "the ability to become a Southwest pilot" given to me by GK, really, you've got to be kidding me, I'll be forever greatful. So far, I have no great urge to thank anyone for this knighthood that is being bestowed upon us ;(.

BTW, like the majority of our captains, over 7000TPIC, and no type due to not being on the 73, not having gotten one in the military, or not having any urge to go buy one to work for WN.
 
madjack said:
Wow you should have got DOH!
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The list is done. We're living with it. The woulda, coulda, shoulda is over unless someone brings it up.

To think though that we have the ability to become Southwest pilots through the benevolence of GK or Southwest in general is asinine. It's law and contractual. If Southwest could have purchased all our assets and hired off the street, they would have done it in a minute and you all would have been much happier.
 
Damn can someone please shoot this thread and put it out of its misery. Worse than a bunch of high school girls.
 
Luv2BFlyin said:
WOW, "the ability to become a Southwest pilot" given to me by GK, really, you've got to be kidding me, I'll be forever greatful. .
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No you won't, 99% of us are though. You'll just be bitter your whole career if you chose to, you won't be missed on the overnights.
 
Don't see how they can train all these pilots in 2014:


February 1, 2013

Fellow Pilots,

There was a discrepancy with the numbers printed at the beginning of the “Chairman’s Message” in the eWeekly. Approximately 1165 pilots will remain on the AirTran side of Southwest’s partition by January 1, 2014.



Regards,



Capt. Jim Morris, Chairman
 
Brit, you are correct. This is not going to happen per the timeline. SWA will have to come to SWAPA and ask for contractual relief. What does that mean? Who knows.
 
FlyinGuy said:
Brit, you are correct. This is not going to happen per the timeline. SWA will have to come to SWAPA and ask for contractual relief. What does that mean? Who knows.
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It means, Gary Kelly will ask for more time and SWAPA will give it to him.
 
Britpilot said:
Don't see how they can train all these pilots in 2014:
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My guess is SWA transitions 72 pilots per month from Jan 2014 through April 2015 so that we will all be flying orange and blue for the busy summer season of 2015. A few Trannies might get a 2-3 month paid vacation waiting for a transition class. I hope I am one of them :-)
 
Brit, you are correct. This is not going to happen per the timeline. SWA will have to come to SWAPA and ask for contractual relief. What does that mean? Who knows.
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It means nice spinners on the McD vans we bought. Maybe an extra GDO if we are lucky.
 
K-Mart said:
That's it! And if your a capt on the AirTran side you get to stay so maybe there will be a bit of silver lining for a few.
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No, I think if SWAPA and GK can find a way to throw us under the bus then they will. My guess is that Randy Babbitt will dangle a "pay cut or else" offer to relax the deadline. Why SWAPA happily invited a B-Scale on their property still baffles me....
 
We didn't, you did by rejecting the first offer. We had no say in what you're getting paid. Who's at fault? Look in the mirror.
 
SWAPA did not invite a b scale. ALPA did that all on their own. That was between AT and SWA.

I will agree that SWAPA was not going to burn any negotiating capitol on this issue.
 
FlyinGuy said:
SWAPA did not invite a b scale. ALPA did that all on their own. That was between AT and SWA.

I will agree that SWAPA was not going to burn any negotiating capitol on this issue.
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Really? just like 80% of us voted to keep our jobs, 80% of your pilots voted for the B-Scale.
 
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scoreboardII said:
No, we voted for our details, our vote had no relation to what you decided to accept as your pay. Grow up please.
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Whether you like it or not, you have a B-Scale on your property. Two 737s going from ATL-BWI and one costs a third less to operate. Which 737 do you think the bean counters in DAL want to operate? You think they would gladly give it up now after your union looked the other way when it happened? Good luck with that.....
 
scoreboardII said:
No, we voted for our details, our vote had no relation to what you decided to accept as your pay. Grow up please.
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About as straight forward as it gets. Not one Southwest pilot is responsible for the outcome at AirTran, that's reality. I don't understand that if you guys had a 98% strike vote, essentially saying you would rather walk away from your job than accept what your company was giving you, you feel that Southwest was forcing you into anything.
 
canyonblue said:
About as straight forward as it gets. Not one Southwest pilot is responsible for the outcome at AirTran, that's reality. I don't understand that if you guys had a 98% strike vote, essentially saying you would rather walk away from your job than accept what your company was giving you, you feel that Southwest was forcing you into anything.
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You guys don't get, I don't give a $hite now about the pay. My question is what will you do when Randy demands relief for the 2015 deadline?
 
Kharma Police said:
Whether you like it or not, you have a B-Scale on your property. Two 737s going from ATL-BWI and one costs a third less to operate. Which 737 do you think the bean counters in DAL want to operate? You think they would gladly give it up now after your union looked the other way when it happened? Good luck with that.....
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They have stated that the Southwest brand would generate more money, the very reason we keep taking over more routes. It's about the revenues not the costs.
 
Kharma Police said:
You guys don't get, I don't give a $hite now about the pay. My question is what will you do when Randy demands relief for the 2015 deadline?
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Call SWAPA, they should be all over it.
 
canyonblue said:
They have stated that the Southwest brand would generate more money, the very reason we keep taking over more routes. It's about the revenues not the costs.
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Sweet!!! The magical Southwest brand will generate money just by the name alone!
 
Kharma Police said:
You guys don't get, I don't give a $hite now about the pay. My question is what will you do when Randy demands relief for the 2015 deadline?
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Randy wont be asking for concessions while the CEO rakes in 35% per annum pay increases, sorry. And a company which is still making a hefty profit is not a candidate to seek pay givebacks from labor. Randy's old school tactics only work when companies are in bankruptcy.

Randy is there to put the screws to the other unions on property: Ramp and FA's. Ramp for sick abuse and FA's for 600 or so senior mommas not working since they could last fit into mini skirts, yet still costing the company benefits. Randy is the token fall guy to take the heat off management, classic SWA way of keeping face, get someone else to do the dirty work.

Pilots have little to worry about our rates of pay, which if you forgot, all snap to one rate 2015 which will be well before any section six deal is reached.

And for the 2015 deadline, you get our pay no matter what, and if the company cant make the swchedule, well, it will cost them substantially. Both in money to RSW FO's, ruining good faith and loss of face to the general public. My bet is SWA makes the deadline, but AT guys may not like it...
 
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I am not sure what SWAPA will do. I am actually concerned about how that deadline will be handled. In my opinion AT pilots will not be negatively effected (any more than you already are) by whatever they come up with. This will be an issue with the RSW pilots.
 
scoreboardII said:
Randy wont be asking for concessions while the CEO rakes in 35% per annum pay increases, sorry. And a company which is still making a hefty profit is not a candidate to seek pay givebacks from labor. Randy's old school tactics only work when companies are in bankruptcy.

Randy is there to put the screws to the other unions on property: Ramp and FA's. Ramp for sick abuse and FA's for 600 or so senior mommas not working since they could last fit into mini skirts, yet still costing the company benefits. Randy is the token fall guy to take the heat off management, classic SWA way of keeping face, get someone else to do the dirty work.

Pilots have little to worry about our rates of pay, which if you forgot, all snap to one rate 2015 which will be well before any section six deal is reached.
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I sincerely hope you are right.
 
I am not sure if this has any base in fact, but this week, at Big D, a future 717 LCA told us that SW was interested in delivering more than 3 717's per month to D.

Presently, I believe that we are supposed to get 3 717's per month.
 
jetflier said:
I am not sure if this has any base in fact, but this week, at Big D, a future 717 LCA told us that SW was interested in delivering more than 3 717's per month to D.

Presently, I believe that we are supposed to get 3 717's per month.
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That is the rumor, it's also rumored that the big D doesn't want them any sooner and would like to slow down the deliveries if possible. Something to do with getting all the 90's on board first or at least most before having to bring on the 71's.

Also rumors of at least one of the entities involved trying to work out a deal after the fact for some tranny pilots to go with the airplanes.
 

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