SWA to speed up Airtran integration.....article

[madjack]

The same pilots who voted out ur in house union (NPA?) then signed on w/ALPA and then tried to burn down AAI with a strike vote are now the biggest mouths on here... The same crowd who took food off their fellow AAI pilots tables by stiff arming SL9...death threats don't just happen...

 

[Ty Webb]

Look out . . . . MJ's off his meds again.

I came by here to see if there was any intelligent discourse here . . . . Not sure why I bothered. . . . Sheesh.


Here's to a happier New Year for all.

Ty

 

[SWAdude]

Yes, a Happy, Healthy, Prosperous New Year to us all.

To all the AT/SWA pilots, we all have it much better than most in this industry. No matter how we imagine otherwise.

 

[Lear70]

Can't. Your pathetic work rules don't allow for straight dropping of trips. You have to have someone to take it off your hands. And since we'll all be junior, we'll have the crappiest trips that no one will want to take.

This is the untold truth.

I had a long phone call with a buddy of mine recently who was a very senior F/O, about 60 numbers senior to me, give or take, who transitioned over to SWA in nearly the very beginning. Since he's been there, he's been able to get rid of NOTHING, and can barely hold lines in PHX or LAS.

Your retarded work rules on even ELITT don't help with the Net 0 or 1 or 2 crap, makes it impossible most of the time to get rid of an entire trip without picking something else up.

Long story short, we got nearly stapled and aren't senior enough to have anything someone else will pick up from us out of TTGA and ELITT thresholds are too high for straight drops so, as PCL said, yes I'd take our CBA with your pay rates over yours every day of the week.

Not angry, just a fact. Our trip trading system is better than yours.

 

[Lear70]

Yes, a Happy, Healthy, Prosperous New Year to us all.

To all the AT/SWA pilots, we all have it much better than most in this industry. No matter how we imagine otherwise.

True story, which is why I let go of the anger. Kind of retarded when my friends at PCL are facing job loss and still little or no hiring going on. Could be much worse.

 

[Crash Pad]

Interesting. Some guy was posting a while back that he wished he was still at Pinnacle. Something about the left seat, sweet schedule, and money not being important. Weird.

Doesn't PCL single engine taxi? I have talked to a number of pilots that all agree that SE taxi is the single most important thing an airline can do to garuntee profitability. The second most important factor in airline profits is international, all pilots know this, doesn't PCL fly international? Come to think of it I thought PCL had a small IT department. We all know IT is the make or break airline cost item. I'm confused.

I can't keep up with the business end of aviation because I have 18 days off a month and only do 76 hour layovers in PUJ. To each his own, it's not worth rehashing, I'll buy the beers, and stay classy.

 

[SWA/FO]

Originally Posted by PCL_128
Can't. Your pathetic work rules don't allow for straight dropping of trips. You have to have someone to take it off your hands. And since we'll all be junior, we'll have the crappiest trips that no one will want to take.

Very sad indeed. As a 4 year FO at a very profitable airline - you should have gotten everything you wanted (not deserved). Don't make me cry. You're just mad that your union career is over and you actually have to fly an airplane.

 

[scoreboardII]

This is the untold truth.

I had a long phone call with a buddy of mine recently who was a very senior F/O, about 60 numbers senior to me, give or take, who transitioned over to SWA in nearly the very beginning. Since he's been there, he's been able to get rid of NOTHING, and can barely hold lines in PHX or LAS.

Your retarded work rules on even ELITT don't help with the Net 0 or 1 or 2 crap, makes it impossible most of the time to get rid of an entire trip without picking something else up.

Long story short, we got nearly stapled and aren't senior enough to have anything someone else will pick up from us out of TTGA and ELITT thresholds are too high for straight drops so, as PCL said, yes I'd take our CBA with your pay rates over yours every day of the week.

Not angry, just a fact. Our trip trading system is better than yours.

Lear, the ontold truth is our crappy trips beat your best trips, period. Crying that you can't get rid of trips, thats rich, worst economy since the 30's, are you here to work or walk a picket line?

 

[Lear70]

Lear, the ontold truth is our crappy trips beat your best trips, period.

Different strokes for different folks, but I'll take my 6 hr block average per day, 2-3 legs per day average with 18-22 hr overnights over your 4-6 legs per day 6.5 hr block average trips with 12-13 hr overnights EVERY SINGLE DAY OF THE WEEK!

I've seen your lines. From your crappy ones to your senior lines. I like ours better.

Crying that you can't get rid of trips, thats rich, worst economy since the 30's, are you here to work or walk a picket line?

I'm here to work my 70-80 block hours a month, 840-960 hours per year (before vacation). The question is HOW HARD do I have to work to make that time. Here I can do it in 2-3 legs per day flying longer legs to fun destinations with long overnights. There... not so much.

Everyone on here was saying how EASY it was to get rid of your trips at Southwest, to trip improve, to pick up premium time, how much better our Quality of Life would be over there... unfortunately, it's not true, not for our F/O's anyway. People at my seniority over at SWA are working EVERY weekend, EVERY holiday, can't get rid of their trips, never get premium time because senior people snag it, etc, etc. And those are from guys who were all RAH RAH SOUTHWEST at the MEC meetings before the votes and couldn't get there fast enough.

They like the company (Southwest). They hate their Quality of Life compared to what it was at AirTran.

Therefore I'll hang out here until I'm forced across the partition, that's all. Not angry about it, but it's a simple fact, our Quality of Life and trip trading/dropping system is superior to yours due to the lack of ability to straight drop back to the company or trade trips without some imaginary threshold of minimum duty days we "owe" the company.

In my world, I owe the company an amount of "hours", not a set amount of days, and if I can drop duty periods while simultaneously keeping hours, that should be my business, not anyone else's, the company included.

And who said anything about a picket line, Mr. Random Comment? Go drink a toast to the new year or something (our cab shows up to take us downtown in about 30 minutes).

 

[General Lee]

First, I want to say Happy New Year! It seems not everyone wants 5 legs a day ending up in Lubbock or Midland/Odessa. The pay may be great (for now), but it seems many are looking for QOL issues as well, and not being able to drop junior trips could cause some stress. If there is stagnation, the junior will stay junior for years. I see many of the junior guys getting a taste of the junior trips and then throwing out apps for the legacies, which will ensure fairly good pay and undoubtedly better QOL as thousands of their senior guys are forced to retire. Some years have up to 700 senior guys leaving, which would equal huge jumps in pay (going up to a bigger, higher paying plane) and QOL if you stay put and watch those senior to you go after those things. It will be interesting to watch, indeed. Again, Happy New Year!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[madjack]

Sorry Ty,

Former AAI MKE 737 pilot as well as several other FAT pilots confirm the fact that the disgruntled ATL pilots are the same geniuses that "influenced" the MECs decision (unduly and not reflective of the majority) and will be the future FAT malcontents at SWA...

 

[scoreboardII]

Different strokes for different folks, but I'll take my 6 hr block average per day, 2-3 legs per day average with 18-22 hr overnights over your 4-6 legs per day 6.5 hr block average trips with 12-13 hr overnights EVERY SINGLE DAY OF THE WEEK!

I've seen your lines. From your crappy ones to your senior lines. I like ours better.


I'm here to work my 70-80 block hours a month, 840-960 hours per year (before vacation). The question is HOW HARD do I have to work to make that time. Here I can do it in 2-3 legs per day flying longer legs to fun destinations with long overnights. There... not so much.

Everyone on here was saying how EASY it was to get rid of your trips at Southwest, to trip improve, to pick up premium time, how much better our Quality of Life would be over there... unfortunately, it's not true, not for our F/O's anyway. People at my seniority over at SWA are working EVERY weekend, EVERY holiday, can't get rid of their trips, never get premium time because senior people snag it, etc, etc. And those are from guys who were all RAH RAH SOUTHWEST at the MEC meetings before the votes and couldn't get there fast enough.

They like the company (Southwest). They hate their Quality of Life compared to what it was at AirTran.

Therefore I'll hang out here until I'm forced across the partition, that's all. Not angry about it, but it's a simple fact, our Quality of Life and trip trading/dropping system is superior to yours due to the lack of ability to straight drop back to the company or trade trips without some imaginary threshold of minimum duty days we "owe" the company.

In my world, I owe the company an amount of "hours", not a set amount of days, and if I can drop duty periods while simultaneously keeping hours, that should be my business, not anyone else's, the company included.

And who said anything about a picket line, Mr. Random Comment? Go drink a toast to the new year or something (our cab shows up to take us downtown in about 30 minutes).

Lear, you're rewriting history, there was more than enough folks on here telling you guys that once you got your line, that would be your line. Seniority gets you the ability to drop your line. We also told you that. You guys are amazing, you want it all, our seniority, our pay, our company work rules, and you want to drop your trips so you don't have to work. Happy new year Lear, while employed at SwA, expect to earn your pay, that's how this company has lasted four decades. Not finagle schedules to ride the pine.

 

[SWA/FO]

Lear wants to get paid for doing nothing. Not going to happen at Southwest Airlines, sorry dude.

 

[Lear70]

Lear wants to get paid for doing nothing. Not going to happen at Southwest Airlines, sorry dude.

Not at all. I work my 70-75 hours here at AirTran, and I will there, too.

The simple fact is, and another SOUTHWEST PILOT actually said it in THIS thread too, which is what I replied to initially, that you can just "get rid of your trips" if you don't want to fly that much when, in fact, you can't.

Like I said, before you guys twisted it into something it's NOT, I don't mind flying. In fact, I happen to LOVE flying. I just like our flying better than yours and will be sad to see our trips morph into the Southwest high-frequency short-leg model. Some people like long haul (like me), some people don't. Unfortunately, there's more short-haul/high-frequency flying than not at Southwest.

Just the way it is. Twist it all you want, I never said I want to ride the pine. I just like long legs and long overnights in fun places, which is one of the major reasons I got into this job to begin with.

Happy New Year to both of you, despite your ill-intentioned postings that constantly try to twist what we say. The good news is that everyone else sees past it.

 

[madjack]

Oh everyone sees right past it alright...