Swa Pool

[GFunk20]

Razor B - you're a May 22 pool date and you got called for the Feb class? Seems odd they would jump that far down the pool.

Are you bypassing or did you get a different job?

 

[zippy32]

Talked to Matt in PD today. He said they'll have 16 poolies in this class.

Oneshot-

Are you sure he didn't say 16 total in the class? The plan (from I've heard) is 13 from the pool, 1 retrainee, and 2 guys from the FAA.

 

[Oneshot]

He told me 16 poolies, but he was in a hurry leaving the office, so he might have meant 16 total. I hope it's 16 poolies.

 

[BlueandWhite]

Razor, I would leave your name on the list...unless you really don't plan on coming back.

 

[THEPRFCT10]

"Anticipating" 2 classes in Mar....from Matt PD

 

[bmxandjets]

drain that pool... any good guesses on how much of the pool has to be drained in order to start interviewing again?

 

[NoCompromise]

Just talked to the PD. The latest rumor there is that only one March class so far and it might be filled with returning >60 year guys. If they're planning on slotting all of the returning >60 guys ahead of the poolies, then maybe we'll be start training by 2013. One of the guys in my squadron interviewed a week ahead of me and started in Oct. I just can't believe that one week is going to translate into such a ridiculous difference in seniority.

 

[737lj]

Just talked to the PD. The latest rumor there is that only one March class so far and it might be filled with returning >60 year guys. If they're planning on slotting all of the returning >60 guys ahead of the poolies, then maybe we'll be start training by 2013. One of the guys in my squadron interviewed a week ahead of me and started in Oct. I just can't believe that one week is going to translate into such a ridiculous difference in seniority.

Welcome to the wonderful world of Commercial Aviation! Don't let this little hiccup bother you, or you will have a long, miserable career.

 

[zippy32]

Name-----------------Pool Date-----Class Date
1.FlyByNight1-------------5/17/07------- 2/13/08
jet1man----------------5/18/07--------- 2/13/08
number11--------------5/19/07-------
scottyp----------------5/21/07-------
GFunk20-------------5/22/07-------
zippy32-----------------5/22/07------- 2/13/08
Tabex ------------------5/23/07------
AuburnAviator-----------5/23/07-------
10.SW Poolie---------------5/23/07------
SW Poolie---------------5/23/07------
NoCompromise-----------5/24/07-------
fixy---------------------5/24/07------
Stewy-------------------5/25/07------
BlueandWhite---------5/25/07-------
THEPRFCT10-------------5/27/07-------
Ballgag------------------6/01/07-------
Prop Trash---------------6/06/07------
zdriver-------------------6/08/07-------
20.Avgslin------------------6/10/07------
crj410 -------------------6/10/07------
Lakempnative------------6/10/07-------
O-Weone Ubabe----------6/10/07------
capt1900----------------6/10/07------
msmb--------------------6/11/07-------
SW Poolie-------------6/11/07-------
SW Poolie (LH) -----------6/11/07-------
SW Poolie----------------6/11/07-------
obadie-------------------6/12/07-------
30.palmtressairlines.---------6/12/07-------
GuyBehindTheGuy---------6/12/07-------
VoidFighter---------------6/12/07------
Superherc----------------6/12/07------
So cal--------------------6/14/07------
SW Poolie-----------------6/14/07-------
SW Poolie-----------------6/16/07-------
SW Poolie--------------6/16/07-------
SW Poolie-----------------6/16/07-------
SW Poolie-----------------6/16/07-------
40.MJG-----------------------6/17/07-------
SW Poolie-----------------6/17/07-------
SW Poolie-----------------6/17/07-------
SW Poolie-----------------6/17/07-------
SW Poolie-----------------6/17/07-------
SW Poolie-----------------6/17/07-------
Uplift---------------------6/18/07-------
RogerMOSA------------6/19/07-------
Nutts---------------------6/19/07-------
f340dvr-------------------6/20/07-------
50.Chellsha-------------------6/20/07-------
Bluto13--------------------6/21/07-------
ofacegangsta--------------6/21/07-------
2jet-----------------------6/21/07-------
Rosie----------------------6/21/07-------
Flybigsky------------------6/22/07--------
SW Poolie-----------------6/22/07-------
SW Poolie--------------6/24/07-------
Sundevil-------------------6/26/07-------
BOZO----------------------6/26/07-------
60.Beech Balls-----------------6/27/07-------
b727fe---------------------6/28/07-------
ddp------------------------6/30/07-------
SWPoolie-------------------6/30/07-------
TXDanno-------------------7/01/07-------
DesertDuck-----------------7/07/07--------
SW Poolie(SF)--------------7/08/07--------
Bayou Bengal-----------7/10/07------
beechbumn-----------------7/10/07--------
SW Poolie (SG)-------------7/10/07--------
70.50Pesos--------------------7/12/07-------
SW Poolie------------------7/14/07------
Califlyer--------------------7/15/07-------
WNC Flyer------------------7/16/07-------
PJF-------------------------7/17/07-------
SWPoolie(CF)---------------7/17/07-------
JBFlies----------------------7/17/07-------
SWPoolie----------------7/17/07--------
Jdru25----------------------7/17/07-------
SwPoolie(JW)---------------7/18/07--------
80.U2drvr----------------------7/19/07--------
cvr104----------------------7/19/07-------
skypine69-------------------7/22/07--------
SWPoolie--------------------7/23/07--------
Tristarpilot------------------7/24/07---------
Pandasfly--------------------7/25/07--------
Inigo Mentoya---------------7/29/07--------
SW Poolie----------------8/05/07--------
Ghettobeechjet--------------8/05/07--------
Island Driver ----------------8/05/07--------
90.SW Poolie-------------------8/12/07--------
Huge------------------------8/14/07--------
Texman---------------------8/14/07--------
Sabregirl--------------------8/15/07--------
DT--------------------------8/17/07--------
gradywhite------------------8/20/07--------
srv141----------------------9/16/07--------
Mickey D---------------9/28/07--------
SW Poolie-------------------9/28/07--------
showboats------------------9/30/07--------
100.ARJLVR---------------------10/6/07--------
Snake---------------------12-1(ish)-07---

Got the call today. It's been a long wait, but I think it will be worth it.

I was the last one into the class. 16 total (13 from the pool, 1 retrainee, 2 from FAA).

Best of luck to everyone in the pool. I truly hope you get out of the pool fast. Cheers.

 

[GFunk20]

Name-----------------Pool Date-----Class Date
1.FlyByNight1-------------5/17/07------- 2/13/08
jet1man----------------5/18/07--------- 2/13/08
number11--------------5/19/07-------
scottyp----------------5/21/07-------
zippy32-----------------5/22/07------- 2/13/08
GFunk20----------------5/23/07-------
Tabex ------------------5/23/07------
AuburnAviator-----------5/23/07-------
10.SW Poolie---------------5/23/07------
SW Poolie---------------5/23/07------
NoCompromise-----------5/24/07-------
fixy---------------------5/24/07------
Stewy-------------------5/25/07------
BlueandWhite---------5/25/07-------
THEPRFCT10-------------5/27/07-------
Ballgag------------------6/01/07-------
Prop Trash---------------6/06/07------
zdriver-------------------6/08/07-------
20.Avgslin------------------6/10/07------
crj410 -------------------6/10/07------
Lakempnative------------6/10/07-------
O-Weone Ubabe----------6/10/07------
capt1900----------------6/10/07------
msmb--------------------6/11/07-------
SW Poolie-------------6/11/07-------
SW Poolie (LH) -----------6/11/07-------
SW Poolie----------------6/11/07-------
obadie-------------------6/12/07-------
30.palmtressairlines.---------6/12/07-------
GuyBehindTheGuy---------6/12/07-------
VoidFighter---------------6/12/07------
Superherc----------------6/12/07------
So cal--------------------6/14/07------
SW Poolie-----------------6/14/07-------
SW Poolie-----------------6/16/07-------
SW Poolie--------------6/16/07-------
SW Poolie-----------------6/16/07-------
SW Poolie-----------------6/16/07-------
40.MJG-----------------------6/17/07-------
SW Poolie-----------------6/17/07-------
SW Poolie-----------------6/17/07-------
SW Poolie-----------------6/17/07-------
SW Poolie-----------------6/17/07-------
SW Poolie-----------------6/17/07-------
Uplift---------------------6/18/07-------
RogerMOSA------------6/19/07-------
Nutts---------------------6/19/07-------
f340dvr-------------------6/20/07-------
50.Chellsha-------------------6/20/07-------
Bluto13--------------------6/21/07-------
ofacegangsta--------------6/21/07-------
2jet-----------------------6/21/07-------
Rosie----------------------6/21/07-------
Flybigsky------------------6/22/07--------
SW Poolie-----------------6/22/07-------
SW Poolie--------------6/24/07-------
Sundevil-------------------6/26/07-------
BOZO----------------------6/26/07-------
60.Beech Balls-----------------6/27/07-------
b727fe---------------------6/28/07-------
ddp------------------------6/30/07-------
SWPoolie-------------------6/30/07-------
TXDanno-------------------7/01/07-------
DesertDuck-----------------7/07/07--------
SW Poolie(SF)--------------7/08/07--------
Bayou Bengal-----------7/10/07------
beechbumn-----------------7/10/07--------
SW Poolie (SG)-------------7/10/07--------
70.50Pesos--------------------7/12/07-------
SW Poolie------------------7/14/07------
Califlyer--------------------7/15/07-------
WNC Flyer------------------7/16/07-------
PJF-------------------------7/17/07-------
SWPoolie(CF)---------------7/17/07-------
JBFlies----------------------7/17/07-------
SWPoolie----------------7/17/07--------
Jdru25----------------------7/17/07-------
SwPoolie(JW)---------------7/18/07--------
80.U2drvr----------------------7/19/07--------
cvr104----------------------7/19/07-------
skypine69-------------------7/22/07--------
SWPoolie--------------------7/23/07--------
Tristarpilot------------------7/24/07---------
Pandasfly--------------------7/25/07--------
Inigo Mentoya---------------7/29/07--------
SW Poolie----------------8/05/07--------
Ghettobeechjet--------------8/05/07--------
Island Driver ----------------8/05/07--------
90.SW Poolie-------------------8/12/07--------
Huge------------------------8/14/07--------
Texman---------------------8/14/07--------
Sabregirl--------------------8/15/07--------
DT--------------------------8/17/07--------
gradywhite------------------8/20/07--------
srv141----------------------9/16/07--------
Mickey D---------------9/28/07--------
SW Poolie-------------------9/28/07--------
showboats------------------9/30/07--------
100.ARJLVR---------------------10/6/07--------
Snake---------------------12-1(ish)-07---

Updated list

 

[VoidFighter]

So does anyone know "Number11" or "ScottyP"?...Did you guys get the call as well, or did you defer???

 

[Bill Nelson]

I just can't believe that one week is going to translate into such a ridiculous difference in seniority.

Pool date and hire date dont go hand in hand. Well it does, but not like you are thinking. You might get hired a year after your buddy, but it won't be a huge differnce in seniority. I know guys who spent 2 years in the pool at SWA and are only a few numbers senior to guys who interviewed 2 years later because SWA didn't hire inbetween.

If you have your type, your place is set. It may take you awhile to get a class at SWA, but you won't be far behind your buddy, even if time passes between his hire date and yours. If you sit in the pool, its because SWA wasn't hiring. When they do, you will still hold your place in line. If they only hire 50 guys this year, you will be hired a year after your buddy, but won't be more than 50 numbers behind him

 

[firstthird]

It may have been mentioned but your place in line in the pool is pretty much the order they call for class but the People department does make some adjustments at times to get the right 'mix' into a class (age/mil/civ/scholarship/??/who knows), or so I've heard. I have no inside scoop. It will be interesting to see where guys go who got 60ied out and reapply as FOs.

Bill is correct. I spent 2 years 2 months in the pool and got hired 10 months after a friend of mine but he is only 30 numbers or so in front of me. So for pay, he gets paid at the one year higher pay scale, but for bidding and QOL purposes we are almost identical in what we can get even though we were hired almost a year apart.

If you have a good job currently, waiting in the pool isn't such a bad deal from a guy who did it. If you end up getting hired when our next (??) big hiring wave starts, you'll accrue seniority for QOL purposes quickly. Assuming SWA is still where you want to be and that SWA is still a good place to be 10 or 20 years from now.

 

[NoCompromise]

I just can't believe that one week is going to translate into such a ridiculous difference in seniority.

Pool date and hire date dont go hand in hand. Well it does, but not like you are thinking. You might get hired a year after your buddy, but it won't be a huge differnce in seniority. I know guys who spent 2 years in the pool at SWA and are only a few numbers senior to guys who interviewed 2 years later because SWA didn't hire inbetween.

If you have your type, your place is set. It may take you awhile to get a class at SWA, but you won't be far behind your buddy, even if time passes between his hire date and yours. If you sit in the pool, its because SWA wasn't hiring. When they do, you will still hold your place in line. If they only hire 50 guys this year, you will be hired a year after your buddy, but won't be more than 50 numbers behind him

I understand all that. I was just pointing out the fact that this could potentially open up the floodgates for a bunch of >60 guys to slot in between us. If the PD is filling the March class with 20, who is to say that 100 more won't decide to go back to work?

 

[WNC Flyer]

How many 60+ retired captains are going to come back to spend weekends sitting reserve in Oakland for 1st year FO pay? It seems like it would be tough to go back to that lifestyle after sitting on top of the senority list for so long.

 

[Mach 80]

>>>>>It seems like it would be tough to go back to that lifestyle after sitting on top of the senority list for so long.<<<<

Maybe, but for some it beats the hell out of sitting around the house 7 days a week with a nagging non-stop talking wrinkled wife watching game shows and soap operas and going to garage sales with her for some excitement on an occasional Saturday.

 

[MJG]

Wow, this thing is now at 50 pages and growing.

 

[RogerMOSA]

I understand all that. I was just pointing out the fact that this could potentially open up the floodgates for a bunch of >60 guys to slot in between us. If the PD is filling the March class with 20, who is to say that 100 more won't decide to go back to work?

I'm not feeling the LUV if this is gonna happen. Are 60+ guys "interviewing" right now? What has SWAPA said about this issue. Does any decision have to be voted on by the pilots? If so, throw us a bone guys, and put them behind the poolies.

RM

 

[jke406]

I'm not feeling the LUV if this is gonna happen. Are 60+ guys "interviewing" right now? What has SWAPA said about this issue. Does any decision have to be voted on by the pilots? If so, throw us a bone guys, and put them behind the poolies.

RM

uh-oh...do I detect some contention arising in the pool?

Please pour this misguided soul some extra-strength kool-aid...STAT.

 

[Tanker Clown]

As much as I dislike jke406, he has had some valid points on the SWA pool front. SWA owes a poolie absolutely nothing. Once you have a seniority number, different story. So, pushing retired guys in front of a poolie after they "reinterview" is well within thier rights. Some of these old guys were some of the original guys. So I'm sure there is more loyalty to those guys who were with them for over 30 years, than the guys that spent a day at headquarters being interviewed.

I heard only about 2 dozen or so are coming back as of right now. Granted, the way training is going that may be two months more of a delay for you guys.

As for the question about coming back to first year pay...some of these guys probably just look at it like a part time job. Beats being a greater at Wal-Mart. This probably just buys them a few more years to where they don't have to dip into their 401K or Roth IRA.

 

[ScottyP]

Name-----------------Pool Date-----Class Date
1.FlyByNight1-------------5/17/07------- 2/13/08
jet1man----------------5/18/07--------- 2/13/08
number11--------------5/19/07-------
scottyp----------------5/21/07-------2/13/08
zippy32-----------------5/22/07------- 2/13/08
GFunk20----------------5/23/07-------
Tabex ------------------5/23/07------
AuburnAviator-----------5/23/07-------
10.SW Poolie---------------5/23/07------
SW Poolie---------------5/23/07------
NoCompromise-----------5/24/07-------
fixy---------------------5/24/07------
Stewy-------------------5/25/07------
BlueandWhite---------5/25/07-------
THEPRFCT10-------------5/27/07-------
Ballgag------------------6/01/07-------
Prop Trash---------------6/06/07------
zdriver-------------------6/08/07-------
20.Avgslin------------------6/10/07------
crj410 -------------------6/10/07------
Lakempnative------------6/10/07-------
O-Weone Ubabe----------6/10/07------
capt1900----------------6/10/07------
msmb--------------------6/11/07-------
SW Poolie-------------6/11/07-------
SW Poolie (LH) -----------6/11/07-------
SW Poolie----------------6/11/07-------
obadie-------------------6/12/07-------
30.palmtressairlines.---------6/12/07-------
GuyBehindTheGuy---------6/12/07-------
VoidFighter---------------6/12/07------
Superherc----------------6/12/07------
So cal--------------------6/14/07------
SW Poolie-----------------6/14/07-------
SW Poolie-----------------6/16/07-------
SW Poolie--------------6/16/07-------
SW Poolie-----------------6/16/07-------
SW Poolie-----------------6/16/07-------
40.MJG-----------------------6/17/07-------
SW Poolie-----------------6/17/07-------
SW Poolie-----------------6/17/07-------
SW Poolie-----------------6/17/07-------
SW Poolie-----------------6/17/07-------
SW Poolie-----------------6/17/07-------
Uplift---------------------6/18/07-------
RogerMOSA------------6/19/07-------
Nutts---------------------6/19/07-------
f340dvr-------------------6/20/07-------
50.Chellsha-------------------6/20/07-------
Bluto13--------------------6/21/07-------
ofacegangsta--------------6/21/07-------
2jet-----------------------6/21/07-------
Rosie----------------------6/21/07-------
Flybigsky------------------6/22/07--------
SW Poolie-----------------6/22/07-------
SW Poolie--------------6/24/07-------
Sundevil-------------------6/26/07-------
BOZO----------------------6/26/07-------
60.Beech Balls-----------------6/27/07-------
b727fe---------------------6/28/07-------
ddp------------------------6/30/07-------
SWPoolie-------------------6/30/07-------
TXDanno-------------------7/01/07-------
DesertDuck-----------------7/07/07--------
SW Poolie(SF)--------------7/08/07--------
Bayou Bengal-----------7/10/07------
beechbumn-----------------7/10/07--------
SW Poolie (SG)-------------7/10/07--------
70.50Pesos--------------------7/12/07-------
SW Poolie------------------7/14/07------
Califlyer--------------------7/15/07-------
WNC Flyer------------------7/16/07-------
PJF-------------------------7/17/07-------
SWPoolie(CF)---------------7/17/07-------
JBFlies----------------------7/17/07-------
SWPoolie----------------7/17/07--------
Jdru25----------------------7/17/07-------
SwPoolie(JW)---------------7/18/07--------
80.U2drvr----------------------7/19/07--------
cvr104----------------------7/19/07-------
skypine69-------------------7/22/07--------
SWPoolie--------------------7/23/07--------
Tristarpilot------------------7/24/07---------
Pandasfly--------------------7/25/07--------
Inigo Mentoya---------------7/29/07--------
SW Poolie----------------8/05/07--------
Ghettobeechjet--------------8/05/07--------
Island Driver ----------------8/05/07--------
90.SW Poolie-------------------8/12/07--------
Huge------------------------8/14/07--------
Texman---------------------8/14/07--------
Sabregirl--------------------8/15/07--------
DT--------------------------8/17/07--------
gradywhite------------------8/20/07--------
srv141----------------------9/16/07--------
Mickey D---------------9/28/07--------
SW Poolie-------------------9/28/07--------
showboats------------------9/30/07--------
100.ARJLVR---------------------10/6/07--------
Snake---------------------12-1(ish)-07---

Good luck to all. Sooner than later I hope.

 

[firstthird]

I think Tankerclown has it about right. Caveat, I work at SWA but have no inside knowledge on the hiring decisions.

I'd be careful about getting too worked up with the decision though, whatever it is. Tankerclown was also right that there is no legally binding law to the 'pool' or the 'pool list.' I mean, you were all told that you could 'continue the process' right, not that you were 'hired.' After 2+ years of 'continue the process' I still remember the distinction and the vaguely uncomfortable feeling that comes with the parsing of the langauge.
After saying that though, I still think that a 'continue the process' from SWA is as good a promise as you will get in this industry, better than a 'hired' from many airlines that proceeded to cancel classes and kick out new hire classes after 9/11.

There is a finite number of guys that are over 60 that already retired and of that list (200 ish, I'd guess) not all will want to come back. Those that do might delay your start a few classes, but they certainly won't delay your eventual upgrade since they will 65 out before they can upgrade, giving you LESS time as a FO (although more time if you count the time off property).

(assuming no funny business with the law and seniority, although I think SWAPA would take a very dim few to any kind of super-seniority for retread FOs)

SWA seemed to be one of the few airlines that was/is pretty open about its pool priority, etc. UPS does some kind of competitive screen, so you might be in the pool for years while guys that interviewed last week get hired before you.

So, even if some 60+ guys 'jump the line' I don't think it will be that relevant in the big picture compared to the alternatives.

 

[RogerMOSA]

It's hard to say I "agree" with T.Clown....those words just don't come out well. However, I fully understand the position we're in as poolies. What I want is information. If the 20 or so 60+ guys go to the head of the line, that's great. I understand SW's reason for doing so. Ultimately, that essentally delays us 1 class. And as it looks so far, there is one class a month. I know approximately where I stand in the pool, classwise.

I would like to know if I have time to go on another Det with my squadron. I would to tell my CP approximately how much longer he has my services. Most importantly, I have a finacial responsibility to my family.

Additionally there are rumors of mergers floating around. Couple those rumors with the new merger intergration language and there is some serious uncertainty out there, especially for folks about to place themselves on the bottom of a list. Who can saw what the landscape for the poolies would be if SW bought/acquired/mergered/whatever with XXX within the time that any of us got on property. Don't get me wrong, I'm in the pool because SW is where I want to be. But I also know that every seniority number is very important.

All this being said, I plan for the worst and hope for the best. I'm just looking for information to help me paint "the worst" picture.

 

[triggera10]

The chaos of the SWA PD

Words I received 10 days ago were:

1 class Jan and Feb
2 classes March (sounds like that has changed)
1 class April and May
NO CLASSES June-Aug
1 class/month thru the end of the year.

Also planning to hire 200 more in 2008.

Whoever said welcome the volatile world of Comm Aviation...thats putting it mildly. At least SWA is very nimble in its decisions. I had no idea just how crazy it was...but I'm learning!

Cheers

 

[Tanker Clown]

I just talked with my Dallas buddy and told me that the company is only going to grow by a net of 6 jets this year. He says they hire about 10.5 per jet...so that means a total of 63 new hires this year for growth. That only leaves about 4 more classes for the year if they do 16 at a time. I'm sure there will have to be hiring for attrition...but the 150 number is probably optimistic.

 

[Tone]

Why?? Why do you continue?? Tankerclown please do not post in this forum!! POST POLICE

 

[Tanker Clown]

Why?? Why do you continue?? Tankerclown please do not post in this forum!! POST POLICE

What's your deal? I was just crunching the numbers like you guys. Maybe if you continue to stick your head in the sand you'll be in the next class and there will be 500 guys junior to you by Christmas.

I'm not a jke406 fan, but he does kinda have a funny saying: You can wish in one hand and sh!t in the other. Let me know which one fills up first.

Just be happy SWA is company that thinks in before it reacts. They're not a "hire till you furlough" company. They saw this recession happening last year.

That said, you probably should exercise any good option to put food on the table till SWA picks it up a bit (like 2009 or 2010).

 

[waveflyer]

.....

 

[THEPRFCT10]

Mar?

What have you heard about Mar that changed??? Just wondering....so far PD hopes for 2, right? They told me to call on 31 Jan for an update...guess we'll see!

Words I received 10 days ago were:

1 class Jan and Feb
2 classes March (sounds like that has changed)
1 class April and May
NO CLASSES June-Aug
1 class/month thru the end of the year.

Also planning to hire 200 more in 2008.

Whoever said welcome the volatile world of Comm Aviation...thats putting it mildly. At least SWA is very nimble in its decisions. I had no idea just how crazy it was...but I'm learning!

Cheers

 

[T1bubba]

I just talked with my Dallas buddy and told me that the company is only going to grow by a net of 6 jets this year. He says they hire about 10.5 per jet...so that means a total of 63 new hires this year for growth. That only leaves about 4 more classes for the year if they do 16 at a time. I'm sure there will have to be hiring for attrition...but the 150 number is probably optimistic.

GK has said 5-10 jets, but also said around 5% ASM growth. The plan apparently is to tweak the schedules to fly the aircraft more each day.

Of course that plan may have already changed, it's going to be an interesting year...