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I know if you are in the pool you may feel as if the company owes you a swift hire date but really you should know a little history. There was a time in SWA's past when furloughs were announced and were about to take place, but the "old geezers" you so dispise took an hours cut to ensure the young FO's working would not be cut. I think you can just look at this as pay back for their generosity in the past. Suck it up you will be here sooner or later. If you don't think you are getting a fair deal and you are already whining, go somewhere else. I have no desire to fly with a bunch of spoiled brats that are set to whine at the least bit of adversity. You gotta be tough to fly light twins here at SWA.

As a poolie, of course it took a little bit of the wind out of my sails when Age 65 passed. The thing to realize now is that it is now LAW. End of story, no questions asked. These guys who are coming back are doing nothing less than excercising rights offered to them by the law--there is no use in even questioning it--nobody crossed a picket line here and nobody lost their job as a result. Everyone of these Age 60+ guys/gals that came back had their own unique reason for doing so and it's not up to us to question their motives for exercising their rights. The argument that they should be working at a place like NetJets isn't a valid one in my mind--why should they "take the spot" of another qualified pilot who's first choice is NetJets and has no desire to work for SWA?

Benhuntn--Thanks for pointing out that these are the same people who protected the younger pilots from furlough in the past. These are also the same dues-paying SWAPA pilots who held up in a time when all other airlines were cutting pay and got an industry leading contract. Sure, I wish that none of them had decided to come back, but the fact that they are is just a small blip on the radar when you take into consideration the time span of an entire career,and I hope that everyone of us in the pool gives them the respect they deserve when and if we ever meet one of them. I hope that those of you who currently work at SWA don't think of those of us in the pool as ungreatful whiners--if anything, we're just extra eager to join the family and are nervous that one more factor may be thrown into the equation to delay that further. I guarantee you that if classes were running 50 a month, you'd see barely a mention of the issue on this thread.
 
What industry leading contract? You might have industry leading pay rates for the 73 but do you even have a contract? As far as I can tell you operate under some sort of "book of rules" where much is nebulous and not defined. I'm not so sure that is a contract. Sure these old geezers have the right to come back - by law as you say. Of course they would have the right to cross a picket line...by law also (the law part are your words). They re-arranged the deck chairs in the middle - there's no other way to look at it. And the SW Age 60+ guys are the WORST - they are primarily the culprits of the rule change and they are, arguably, the ones that least need it.
 
What industry leading contract? You might have industry leading pay rates for the 73 but do you even have a contract? As far as I can tell you operate under some sort of "book of rules" where much is nebulous and not defined. I'm not so sure that is a contract.

Seriously? Most of your past posts bash all aspects of SWA. I understand lots of folks dont like us for one reason or another. Thats fine and dandy. Did we turn you down or do you dislike your box flying job?
If you get bored during your next sort or 10 hr leg, borrow one of your squadron buddy's SWA contracts and edjicate yourself a bit. Did you operate under a "book of rules" or a contract before ALPA let you back in the club?
We do have lots of side letters that are being addressed during our current negotiations. But I will stand beside the statement that in today's day and age it is "industry leading."
 
As a poolie, of course it took a little bit of the wind out of my sails when Age 65 passed. The thing to realize now is that it is now LAW. End of story, no questions asked. These guys who are coming back are doing nothing less than excercising rights offered to them by the law--there is no use in even questioning it--nobody crossed a picket line here and nobody lost their job as a result. Everyone of these Age 60+ guys/gals that came back had their own unique reason for doing so and it's not up to us to question their motives for exercising their rights. The argument that they should be working at a place like NetJets isn't a valid one in my mind--why should they "take the spot" of another qualified pilot who's first choice is NetJets and has no desire to work for SWA?

Benhuntn--Thanks for pointing out that these are the same people who protected the younger pilots from furlough in the past. These are also the same dues-paying SWAPA pilots who held up in a time when all other airlines were cutting pay and got an industry leading contract. Sure, I wish that none of them had decided to come back, but the fact that they are is just a small blip on the radar when you take into consideration the time span of an entire career,and I hope that everyone of us in the pool gives them the respect they deserve when and if we ever meet one of them. I hope that those of you who currently work at SWA don't think of those of us in the pool as ungreatful whiners--if anything, we're just extra eager to join the family and are nervous that one more factor may be thrown into the equation to delay that further. I guarantee you that if classes were running 50 a month, you'd see barely a mention of the issue on this thread.

There are always a goodly number of butt-kissing, SWA-can-do-no-wrong, completely clueless poolies willing to polish SWA's knob (as if it will give them an earlier class date) on this thread.

They might be poolies, but they are certainly tools.

I think a better word to describe them is "Toolies."
 
There are always a goodly number of butt-kissing, SWA-can-do-no-wrong, completely clueless poolies willing to polish SWA's knob (as if it will give them an earlier class date) on this thread.

They might be poolies, but they are certainly tools.

I think a better word to describe them is "Toolies."

Once again, JKE lashes out--voicing his intense hatred of SWA poolies and continuing fascination with the male genetalia...

Seriously, JKE, I don't understand what your beef is with SWA, but your posts might actually be worth reading if you put up a reasonable argument about why you think SWA is not worth waiting for. Character assassination doesn't take much effort.

I have no clue who you are, just like you have none about the rest of us poolies. As it is, you just come across as either a college kid still working on his CFI and nothing better to do, or a just a bitter SWA ex-candidate who busted his LOI.

Prove me wrong, JKE...throw some ideas down on your next post, not just insults. What say you??
 
Well said Blue and White. Honestly, I don't even read JKE406's posts anymore; I just skip over them because I can't remember a single post of JKE's that ever had any pertinent information about anything... Only 3rd Grader name calling--waste of time.
 
Once again, JKE lashes out--voicing his intense hatred of SWA poolies and continuing fascination with the male genetalia...

Seriously, JKE, I don't understand what your beef is with SWA, but your posts might actually be worth reading if you put up a reasonable argument about why you think SWA is not worth waiting for. Character assassination doesn't take much effort.

I have no clue who you are, just like you have none about the rest of us poolies. As it is, you just come across as either a college kid still working on his CFI and nothing better to do, or a just a bitter SWA ex-candidate who busted his LOI.

Prove me wrong, JKE...throw some ideas down on your next post, not just insults. What say you??
Well said....why is it so damn hard to keep the ORIGINAL meaning of this post: SWA POOL....btw, Dir of Trng said that the 'expectation' from the 40-60 60+ guys interviewing this month is that between 5 and 10 will be hired. Not that bad if it is true.
 
My buddy told me that 44 reapplied. And the deadline is now past for them to reapply. I imagine that all of them will be asked back. So with 1 class a month of 16, it looks like this only cost the poolies 3 months.

When are the classes. I've forgotten if the Feb class is still a go. Are there still 0 classes for March thru May?

Thanks in advance.
 
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True...I've heard from a few reliable sources that very few will be asked back i.e. 5-10 total....I guess they'll have their reasons.....
 
True...I've heard from a few reliable sources that very few will be asked back i.e. 5-10 total....I guess they'll have their reasons.....

ok, no flaming intended, but...

how could a guy be qualified enough to have been a captain at SWA for several years...and now not be qualified to be an F/O?

I have to think guys who are not hired back will try to sue.
 
If were a betting man...I bet 40 of the 44 get invited back. You probably got a few odd balls, but most probably have a lot of old ties that will out weigh any ill-will directed at them.

With 16 guys already in training and these 40 coming back, that makes 56 total. 5 jets x 11 pilots per = 55 pilots. Looks like after the old fogeys come back, SWA might be done for the year.

Hopefully some of these jokers will cut more domestic capacity and merge. Then SWA might be in a position to open up the tap on new hires.
 
ok, no flaming intended, but...

how could a guy be qualified enough to have been a captain at SWA for several years...and now not be qualified to be an F/O?

I have to think guys who are not hired back will try to sue.

My guess is that though they may be very well qualified to be a 60+ F/O, they may have other issues.....i.e. internal not-so-good reports, medical issues, background check issues? etc, etc, etc. Who knows?!
 
ok, no flaming intended, but...

how could a guy be qualified enough to have been a captain at SWA for several years...and now not be qualified to be an F/O?

I have to think guys who are not hired back will try to sue.

Believe it or not, we have some a-holes here too...a lot of great dudes, but a-holes also. The standards for hire have changed some as well...one must have great references and a lot of people to say nice things about you. SWA was not many people's first choice until about sometime in September of 2001 or so...didn't always get the "cream of the crop". You also have to ask yourself what kind of person would want to do this...maybe someone who has alienated everyone else in their life to this point and has no other life outside SWA?
 
My guess is that though they may be very well qualified to be a 60+ F/O, they may have other issues.....i.e. internal not-so-good reports, medical issues, background check issues? etc, etc, etc. Who knows?!

What about a guy no one likes who's a check airman. Sure no one liked the guy because he was part of "the man." But that's my point. He was in with "the man."

The company hires folks, not the pilot's union. So, the company can do whatever they want in reguards to these folks and just blow off every bad internal rec they get. I'm still betting on them hiring the majority.
 

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