SWA plan for 15% ROIC

[slaquer5]

I would say the fact that just because I offer an opinion that you don't agree with hardly makes me a "hater". My point is simply an observation. I've been through this before, but for obvious reasons I do take an interest in mergers and how they are conducted. Fortunately, if it were to happen to us it won't be SWA!
Besides my take on the merger, you can hardly define me as a SWA "hater" Kind of sounds like a little kid that doesn't get what they want and yells to their parent "you hate me!"

So now your the parent , you know what is best.


Why don't you walk into the SWA GO and tell them you need to meet with Gary and tell him all he needs to fix.

I am guessing your to busy running HA, with all your knowledge .

 

[dicko]

Just when I thought there was a little heroin left in the syringe. OK I get to retire senior. Like the last six months of my career I get to kick dirt and and rocks on all the poor bastards trying to crawl up the seniority hill..

Daaaaaamn. You play hard.

I was hoping that I'd screwed up the numbers. I prefer your calculator. The 'Darth' comment was for Scoreboard. It's our special affectionate nickname.

 

[scoreboardII]

You might want to check again, or I've screwed it up - based on DOH i'd be around 47 - 49% and I think you're senior to me. I lose around 20% from that.

No Darth. I don't care if you think DOH was a non starter. Shut your eyes or put your helmet back on if it annoys you

Ah man, dissing the Darth balloon, the huge manatee!

 

[Dan Roman]

So now your the parent , you know what is best.


Why don't you walk into the SWA GO and tell them you need to meet with Gary and tell him all he needs to fix.

I am guessing your to busy running HA, with all your knowledge .

OK, I voice an opinion (on a web board that is specifically for pilots from ALL airlines) you disagree with me but you don't don't have a good rebuttal, so you think throwing stones will make your point? Kind of childish again...I didn't say I know best, but I don't know how you can deny that the way SWA handled the merger is certainly nothing to boast about and if it's what they want, fine, but it does have far reaching consequences. Simple observation is all.

 

[j41driver]

I agree that the best way to view it is to look at seniority lost from DOH.

DOH would've put me at about 62%. I actually ended up at 86%. Whatever. For me, the best way to look at it is "It's over and done with". Guys are pissed on both sides and probably will be for a long time if not for the remainder of their careers. That's their choice. I'm just focusing on having a positive attitude. Makes life much easier.

 

[waveflyer]

Dan, you're stuck on repeat from years ago-
I never said get over it- I said let it go and there's a distinction- nobody's minds changing and all the arguments were made a long time ago- the record is just skipping
And yes, you know you're a hater- and I appreciate that Dan
We'll keep that in mind when GK buys you- I'm positive your group will be way tougher than PCL, Lear, and dicko's group -...(sigh...)

((Whisper was that enough forum fodder for you to hate on Dan?)

 

[FlyinGuy]

...it's my understanding that GK threatened the AirTran pilots if they voted no and they allowed a neutral party to settle the issue? Didn't he say something like "we will not merge the 2 operations if you vote against the second offer"?

What he actually did was tip his cards a bit. He was letting them know that he was going to dump the 717 (before saying so public) and if he let that cat out of the bag, things would be a whole lot different. This is where many of the SWA guys have a beef with GK.

All that being said, AT guys see it different than SWA guys. That is where we stand and we all move on from here. Some will be angry til retirement some will deal with it and move on. So best of luck to us all.

 

[SWA/FO]

Southwest Airlines and Volaris have announced an end to their codeshare agreement effective February 22, 2013. Although no new bookings will be accepted, customers holding tickets for future travel will be able to contact Southwest and Volaris for assistance through August 9, 2013.

Moving forward, as a result of hard-fought contractual gains in our collective bargaining agreement and strategic work by SWAPA's negotiators via Side Letter 12 which carved out Volaris by name, the Company is now extremely limited in regard to codeshare. This codeshare protection is unparalleled in the industry.

The Company may not engage in any domestic, near-international, or far-international codeshare. The only exception remaining is for regional aircraft to provide inter-­island codeshare service within the Hawaiian Islands or inter-­island codeshare service within the Caribbean Islands.

Take that Trannys!!!.... this is your future Union working to protect your job(s).... you may or may not want. NO OTHER AIRLINE has this agreement in place. Be thankful, you work for a Company that cares and a Union that will protect you. The silver lining, bitches!!! Enjoy your Families and your 3.4% profit sharing check for 2012.

Lets make it bigger next year, when we dump your Fugly DC-9s!!!!! Peace!

 

[Just thinking]

Those fugly dc 9s were quite productive in generaating millions and millions of dollars in bag fees. So much so that the overlord had deemed it appropriate to raise bag fees..... you are welcome for the profit sharing. When will you be able to single engine taxi now that your type rated fos can st art an engine?

 

[SWA/FO]

We are learning how to start the engines. Maybe a couple of months more.

Your DC9s are doing so great ...we are paying delta to take them. YOUR welcome for your profit sharing check.... Your welcome for having a job, thousands would die for... Without holding the actual qualifications to hold the job or interview for.

 

[27 driver]

We are learning how to start the engines. Maybe a couple of months more.

Your DC9s are doing so great ...we are paying delta to take them. YOUR welcome for your profit sharing check.... Your welcome for having a job, thousands would die for... Without holding the actual qualifications to hold the job or interview for.

Ya... None of us are qualified to fly a guppy domestically.

 

[scoreboardII]

Those fugly dc 9s were quite productive in generaating millions and millions of dollars in bag fees. So much so that the overlord had deemed it appropriate to raise bag fees..... you are welcome for the profit sharing. When will you be able to single engine taxi now that your type rated fos can st art an engine?

717s, so profitable that the overlord is paying another airline to take them off his hands and pay those pilots their guarantee to sit for months.

 

[fletch717]

We are learning how to start the engines. Maybe a couple of months more.

. Without holding the actual qualifications to hold the job or interview for.

I would guess that at least 50 percent of AT pilots are more qualified than you are today junior. Anyone who would "Die" to work at SWA doesn't have much of a life to begin with.

 

[FlyinGuy]

Well fletch if they died, they wouldn't be able to work???

 

[redflyer65]

Wasn't Airtran pretty much open to any codeshare the CEO wanted? ie...Skywest.

 

[fletch717]

The reason the 717 isn't profitable in the SWA model is cost structure.
SWA has a high cost structure, ramp, customer service,ops agent are the highest paid in the industry. It is putting tremendous pressure on profit. The ability to have one agent serve as customer service, ops agent an if needed carry a bag downstairs, for 8$ an hour was a part of our success. The ability to out source ramp in small cities was another way to be competitive in certain markets. Soon SWA will have to address paying unskilled labor more than industry standard. The 717 competed against SWA in a lot of markets successfully, it's not the airplane it is the structure it has to fit in. Example: I flew in to CMH the other day, got off the plane walked down the corridor and on the way back I stopped at the customer service and asked the two agents ( who were doing nothing) about my paperwork they told me I had to see the ops agent. You would never see three agents at one gate at AT. Yes I know SWA makes money almost every quarter, but it seems to be less and less. On the invester call they cite bag fees from AT as the reason for a large portion of the profit.

 

[fletch717]

Well fletch if they died, they wouldn't be able to work???

As SWA/FO put it "thousands would die" for a chance to work at SWA, I am not one of those thousands. Also according to SWA/FO I'm not qualified either. Maybe one day I can fly a Real jet airplane for a real airline, SWA/FO will you help me get through ground school?

 

[Phlintstone]

We are learning how to start the engines. Maybe a couple of months more.

Your DC9s are doing so great ...we are paying delta to take them. YOUR welcome for your profit sharing check.... Your welcome for having a job, thousands would die for... Without holding the actual qualifications to hold the job or interview for.

It is going to take you a couple of MORE months to learn to start the engines :laugh: and yet you poke at AT folks for not being qualified to run a 737 around the US. The KoolAid is strong in this one.

At that pace, it is going to take years for you guys to learn to fly into Mexico City and just wait until you have to cross an ocean. Lord help us if SWA jumps into non-radar around Africa or South American flying - that may take you decades at your current rate. Not that AT has done the latter but I have hundreds of times. It is a giant leap in planning.

Phred

 

[scoreboardII]

The reason the 717 isn't profitable in the SWA model is cost structure.
SWA has a high cost structure, ramp, customer service,ops agent are the highest paid in the industry. It is putting tremendous pressure on profit. The ability to have one agent serve as customer service, ops agent an if needed carry a bag downstairs, for 8$ an hour was a part of our success. The ability to out source ramp in small cities was another way to be competitive in certain markets. Soon SWA will have to address paying unskilled labor more than industry standard. The 717 competed against SWA in a lot of markets successfully, it's not the airplane it is the structure it has to fit in. Example: I flew in to CMH the other day, got off the plane walked down the corridor and on the way back I stopped at the customer service and asked the two agents ( who were doing nothing) about my paperwork they told me I had to see the ops agent. You would never see three agents at one gate at AT. Yes I know SWA makes money almost every quarter, but it seems to be less and less. On the invester call they cite bag fees from AT as the reason for a large portion of the profit.

What your seeing is not the norm, gate agents usually work flight after flight, customer service reps, the ones you talked to at the counter, are usually two per four gates, and no, they don't do paperwork.

 

[fletch717]

Sorry scoreboard every SWA station I go to has twice as many bodies as an AT station. As a matter of fact, right after the sept 2010 announcement SWA peeps were in ATL watching how 1 agent per gate at AT does everything from putting the jet on, printing paper work, and boarding in 30 min or less. Too many people making too high wages. SWA has to address this to be successful in the future. when they do there will be trouble that's what concerns me. The next 3 to 6 years will be a defining time in SWA history.