SWA New Work Rules?

[SWA/FO]

Already, been answered above

 

[ivauir]

I could never be mad at SWA they are looking out for the best interests of everyone as they see fit. They definitely take care of us the best they can. However, I find our Union seedy and corrupt. Between the double dipping of Mr. Utah and paying pilots $200k to keep up the web site is abhorrent. The pilots here are great except for the scandalous ones in SWAPA management.

Please, (pretty please) leave our dirty laundry off of flight info. I'm not trying to censor you or tell you we don't have problems, I just can't see any good coming from posting any of this here.

 

[Green]

SWAPA vs. ALPA? I'll take SWAPA anyday!
WRONG green, nice try....:laugh:

what's wrong with you guys???? "Nice try" at what? I was asking a legitimate question there chief. The big bold type was a nice touch though, lol. Funny that your response had absolutely nothing to do with my question. I don't like alpa either. Make you feel any better?

I'll ask again why are you voluntarily giving concessions (if that's what they are) when the company is profitable. If you are voluntarily giving concessions does that mean your next contract will likely be concessionary in nature?

I'm envious of your current pay rates and work rules. I am not envious of having to fly with tools such as SWAFO and Kc81900.

 

[Green]

Your an idiot. Maybe that is why SWA is profitable they and management work together instead of taking the ALPA approach bleed them until it hurts then furlough. Cause we need our dues. Oh by the way I work for an alpa carrier and in my opinion ALPA sucks.

Wow, that was classic. Did you go to college before you got that sucky alpa job?

 

[Jim Smyth]

They arnt connsessions. We are tring to make the company even more profitable. This way we can stay competative and still keep the pay up there.

 

[TR4A]

rigging most open time regardless of how it may have gotten split

shootr

I voted no. I was just trying to point out that your statement about the rigged flying was wrong.

 

[FlyinGuy]

Green,
This is not a concession. This is a test period to see if contractual changes would benefit all involved. The company wants more productivity and the pilots want to change rigs and some pay issues. Aside from that, I agree with Ivauir that we need to keep our "mud slinging" to the union board.
Later...

 

[Green]

flyinguy-

thanks for the info.

 

[7S3W7A]

SWAPA vs. ALPA? I'll take SWAPA anyday!
WRONG green, nice try....:laugh:

I have worked at an ALPA carrier and now SWAPA. I tell you ALPA National sucks and is a political money making sham. However, the pilots who worked at ALPA local were giving of thier time and worked hard for their membership.

What I wouldn't give to replace every SWAPA exec. with those ALPA local guys.

 

[7S3W7A]

What work rule change is this that everyone keeps talking about. I know only of a temporary test where an extra day of flying is added to a small percentage of lines, and duty rigs are applied to split trips in open time. Both equate to more money for people who normally pick up an extra day.

Its not as if the extra day is flown for free. Alot of people pick up and extra day or two. Bid one of these lines and you wont have to.

Whats more, if we dont like it, we dont have to keep it.

Doesnt sound like a consession to me Green. Ask DAL, UAL and UAIR guys what a concession is, they will tell you.

It's a concession to the junior guys who are going to be stuck with the lines with less days off. The senior guys will bid more days off which allows them to cherry pick the best open time slots. Another stomp on the junior guys. The fact that you are blind to this amazes me.

 

[7S3W7A]

Please, (pretty please) leave our dirty laundry off of flight info. I'm not trying to censor you or tell you we don't have problems, I just can't see any good coming from posting any of this here.

There was a point when I totally agreed with you but I'm up to my neck in frustration with our crappy union execs. f-ing over the membership.

 

[Green]

Attn: the sky is falling, the sky is falling at Southwest!!!
7 posts there 7s3w7a....all have something in common, they are all negative, there is no way you work here at SWA?

7s3W7A-


Why do you care what's going on, according to SWAFO there's no way you work for luv....lol

 

[TR4A]

Here is the Side Letter summary:

2005 Scheduling Summit – Side Letter 31 Summary​

The Company and the Association have constructed this Side Letter in such a manner as to not intrude
on our Section 6 negotiations which are scheduled to begin in April 2006. The test will give both parties
information which will be of value during the coming negotiations. The test has been designed to increase
pilot productivity with minimal changes in quality of life. For the purposes of this test, SWAPA and SWA
have defined productivity as the average actual block hours flown per active pilot. An active pilot is
defined as a pilot who flies greater than zero block hours during a given month. Due to the provisions of
this test, pilot staffing will be reduced by postponing several new hire classes. As a result, the block hours
flown by each pilot should increase by approximately one hour per month. At the completion of this test
period, manning and productivity are expected to return to current (pre-test) levels. The first part of this
document is a summary explanation of the provisions of the Side Letter followed by the actual Side Letter.



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[7S3W7A]

7s3W7A-


Why do you care what's going on, according to SWAFO there's no way you work for luv....lol

I guess there was no way Mr. Utah stole money right out of my pocket and yours and our union does nothing about it. I f-ing hate SWAPA.

 

[ivauir]

I guess there was no way Mr. Utah stole money right out of my pocket and yours and our union does nothing about it. I f-ing hate SWAPA.

Run for office then. I value your opinion and input, and the whole pilot group might feel the same. However, this is not the place for this. Please (pretty pretty please) dessist.

 

[7S3W7A]

Run for office then. I value your opinion and input, and the whole pilot group might feel the same. However, this is not the place for this. Please (pretty pretty please) dessist.

Okay, Ike.

 

[TexaSWA]

It's a concession to the junior guys who are going to be stuck with the lines with less days off. The senior guys will bid more days off which allows them to cherry pick the best open time slots. Another stomp on the junior guys. The fact that you are blind to this amazes me.

It may not be a good deal in your opinion, but a consession? Please. There are many who welcome a few lines with an extra day/pay.

 

[JayhawkDude]

I guess there was no way Mr. Utah stole money right out of my pocket and yours and our union does nothing about it. I f-ing hate SWAPA.

Like ivuair said, please go to the pprune (or better yet SWAPA boards) to vent.

 

[7S3W7A]

It may not be a good deal in your opinion, but a consession? Please. There are many who welcome a few lines with an extra day/pay.

Like I said senior one. Junior guys will get the extra day. Senior guys will cherry pick the open time that we now can't get because we have to work an extra unwanted day. Wanted is picking up open time. Unwanted is being forced to work it becuase the senior guys take more days off and the good open time.

Please re-read the side letter and think about others when it comes up for a vote again in 6 months.

Stop the greed and think of the junior guys.

 

[ivauir]

Okay, Ike.

Wow a very intelligent and articulate response.