SWA New Work Rules?

[7S3W7A]

Please, (pretty please) leave our dirty laundry off of flight info. I'm not trying to censor you or tell you we don't have problems, I just can't see any good coming from posting any of this here.

There was a point when I totally agreed with you but I'm up to my neck in frustration with our crappy union execs. f-ing over the membership.

 

[Green]

Attn: the sky is falling, the sky is falling at Southwest!!!
7 posts there 7s3w7a....all have something in common, they are all negative, there is no way you work here at SWA?

7s3W7A-


Why do you care what's going on, according to SWAFO there's no way you work for luv....lol

 

[TR4A]

Here is the Side Letter summary:

2005 Scheduling Summit – Side Letter 31 Summary​

The Company and the Association have constructed this Side Letter in such a manner as to not intrude
on our Section 6 negotiations which are scheduled to begin in April 2006. The test will give both parties
information which will be of value during the coming negotiations. The test has been designed to increase
pilot productivity with minimal changes in quality of life. For the purposes of this test, SWAPA and SWA
have defined productivity as the average actual block hours flown per active pilot. An active pilot is
defined as a pilot who flies greater than zero block hours during a given month. Due to the provisions of
this test, pilot staffing will be reduced by postponing several new hire classes. As a result, the block hours
flown by each pilot should increase by approximately one hour per month. At the completion of this test
period, manning and productivity are expected to return to current (pre-test) levels. The first part of this
document is a summary explanation of the provisions of the Side Letter followed by the actual Side Letter.



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[7S3W7A]

7s3W7A-


Why do you care what's going on, according to SWAFO there's no way you work for luv....lol

I guess there was no way Mr. Utah stole money right out of my pocket and yours and our union does nothing about it. I f-ing hate SWAPA.

 

[ivauir]

I guess there was no way Mr. Utah stole money right out of my pocket and yours and our union does nothing about it. I f-ing hate SWAPA.

Run for office then. I value your opinion and input, and the whole pilot group might feel the same. However, this is not the place for this. Please (pretty pretty please) dessist.

 

[7S3W7A]

Run for office then. I value your opinion and input, and the whole pilot group might feel the same. However, this is not the place for this. Please (pretty pretty please) dessist.

Okay, Ike.

 

[TexaSWA]

It's a concession to the junior guys who are going to be stuck with the lines with less days off. The senior guys will bid more days off which allows them to cherry pick the best open time slots. Another stomp on the junior guys. The fact that you are blind to this amazes me.

It may not be a good deal in your opinion, but a consession? Please. There are many who welcome a few lines with an extra day/pay.

 

[JayhawkDude]

I guess there was no way Mr. Utah stole money right out of my pocket and yours and our union does nothing about it. I f-ing hate SWAPA.

Like ivuair said, please go to the pprune (or better yet SWAPA boards) to vent.

 

[7S3W7A]

It may not be a good deal in your opinion, but a consession? Please. There are many who welcome a few lines with an extra day/pay.

Like I said senior one. Junior guys will get the extra day. Senior guys will cherry pick the open time that we now can't get because we have to work an extra unwanted day. Wanted is picking up open time. Unwanted is being forced to work it becuase the senior guys take more days off and the good open time.

Please re-read the side letter and think about others when it comes up for a vote again in 6 months.

Stop the greed and think of the junior guys.

 

[ivauir]

Okay, Ike.

Wow a very intelligent and articulate response.

 

[USNFDX]

what's wrong with you guys???? "Nice try" at what? I was asking a legitimate question there chief. The big bold type was a nice touch though, lol. Funny that your response had absolutely nothing to do with my question. I don't like alpa either. Make you feel any better?

I'll ask again why are you voluntarily giving concessions (if that's what they are) when the company is profitable. If you are voluntarily giving concessions does that mean your next contract will likely be concessionary in nature?

I'm envious of your current pay rates and work rules. I am not envious of having to fly with tools such as SWAFO and Kc81900.

Wait till you see the size of his (swafo)CHIP!

 

[PAPA FOX!]

Lowecur must be MIA. Thought he'd be one of the first to give us his spin on this!


PS: How do y'all like my new avatar?!!

 

[sf260pilot]

Stop the greed and think of the junior guys.

You are giving every other ALPA person here a real thrill. Someone at SWA who is upset. This will spread like wildfire and next to fall will be SWA. Then everyone on the thread will be telling WN pilot's "see how the mighty have fallin" Before you slam some "more productive" work rule "tests" you should talk to folks about cushy work rules at their airlines and the pay cuts that followed.

 

[canyonblue737]

for a few months (like 3 or 4) the line averages go up about .3 or something days per month meaning a few lines get an extra day of work... at an extra day of pay. at the same time we get rigging on open time and the ability to bid open time during vacations already paid for during the remainder of the test. the idea is to see which makes the pilots more productive, increasing the line average (company idea) or making pilots pick up through the greed factor of open time rigging (union idea). in any case it all goes away in 6 months and then the results can be used or not used in the coming section 6 contract negotations.

it will likely slow hiring in early 2006 due to being more productive but since the test will sunset in mid 2006 and we will still have the same amount of airplanes being delivered it will simply increase the amount of hiring needed a few months into 2006.

i don't know that i agree with doing this test before the section 6 but if this is a concession it isn't much of one and will be very short lived effecting only a small % of the pilot base who want to be effected (in general you can drop days easily, and not pick up if you don't want.)

 

[SWA/FO]

7S3W7A...is probably a newhire who use to be at a legacy carrier. You need to take your negative comments back to your original carrier.

USNFDX dude, you talking bout me? I'd rather have a CHIP then be a DIP...like you :crying:

Green, maybe I should spell it out for ya, I consider your statement, question above W R O N G....... does that help you?