SWA Intel

[Flash]

You forgot about the 12 day trip to Uranus. That will be followed by low level Nile and Amazon tours in the 717, and the twice weekly 737-300 shuttle service between El Paso and Antarctica. BTW, Allegiant can't start Hawaii service yet because of the lengthy ETOPS approval process, and they have the 757s now to do the service. (they are currently leasing them out in the meantime) And considering how long it actually took the SWA pilots to learn VNAV and how to use the autothrottles, it may take decades to start that service.


Bye Bye---General Lee

He he. We're going to your anus. Oh, I mean Uranus!

 

[ALSF 2]

I have seen the 3 airplanes on the line several times now and flew one last week FWIW

I stand corrected, Your the first I've met. I guess those 3 have not made it to my corner of the system.

Cheers!

 

[waveflyer]

Shh-
Secrets are a good thing

 

[densoo]

And considering how long it actually took the SWA pilots to learn VNAV and how to use the autothrottles, it may take decades to start that service.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Fighter pilots don't need to be told how to compute an enroute descent or have the FMC move their throttles. Remember, they fly CATIII with a HUD, while the other pilot can only guess what he's seeing--CRM is for wusses.

 

[Ty Webb]

Plus the monkey spends most of his time in crew scheduling.

This is not rumor, but fact. They had a video demonstration of it on Crewplace.

There's a greaseboard on the wall with all the reserve pilots' employee numbers on it, inside little squares.

When they have an un-crewed flight, no matter where, the monkey hurls a handful of poo at the board, and whatever number he hits, that crew member is deadheaded to the un-crewed flight. If he passes through ATL to get to the un-crewed flight, the monkey gets a bonus. It's completely fair that way, because the monkey hates everyone.

They would have an intern fling the poo, but apparently, on their pay, they don't make enough to eat, and so all they were throwing were just handfuls of air.

 

[SKC]

As as side note, there is an interesting rumor "on the line" about our ETOPS planning. Since we picked up those three -700's from Virgin Blue (ETOPS equipped) a few months back, no one has really seen them. I'm sure there out there, but I haven't run across a crew that has flown one. The rumor is that we are "well into the process for ETOPS certification" and have used those aircraft for it. There seem to be plenty of guys out there that have buddies at other carriers that "swear we saw a SWA painted aircraft at an FBO in Hawaii"

Ha ha, those are some doozies.

1. The VB aircraft are on line as far as I know.
2. Good friend just down the hall from me handles all things Ops Specs and I'm guessing they'd have to notify him if ETOPS was "well into the process" as the Ops Specs is kind of important, and they haven't.
3. You can't launch aircraft for ETOPS cert without dispatch releasing them (even Pt 91 req dx'er here) and our office has not done so.
4. There's not even been scuttlebutt around ops that the company is seeking ETOPS cert for the -700.
5. Our flight planning system is not capable of computing an ETOPs release, nor can it plan ETPs. We'll have to change out systems before it's even possible.
6. If SWA had an aircraft in HI, you would have proof on airliners.net as they get pics of anything abnormal like that. Not to mention that once again, ops would likely be aware of it.

 

[MTV]

It will when SWA gets them, along with their ETOPS.

I think you missed my point.
It's the authority to operate in MNPS airspace with a two engine aircraft thats the hard part to obtain or ETOPS if you will. Not whether the 737 NG came to a company " ETOPS ready".

MTV

 

[SKC]

It will when SWA gets them, along with their ETOPS.

You won't see an ETOPs flight here until 2013, at least.

 

[On Your Six]

He he. We're going to your anus. Oh, I mean Uranus!

You may be going to his anus, and he will poop on you. I love all of your bragging, yet you Southwest guys haven't even flown passengers out of the contiguous 48 States yet. The Airtran guys will show you the way I am sure. And Hawaii flights are usually low yield or frequent flyer award type flights, where larger planes can usually pack enough people in to try to squeeze out a profit or break even. Alaska Air has feed from the NW via Horizon to help fill flights on their 737-800s. But, you guys think it will happen, so it must be so! And, I don't think many of us, including The General, are scared of your airline doing anything. And you flying Europe? Enjoy Gander.


OYS

 

[satpak77]

I don't see Europe in the picture with the current business model of one class cabin, quick gate turns, no meals, etc etc.

Heck even HNL is what? 6 hours from LA ?

 

[goahead]

Who cares where they fly every pilot I've ever flown with somehow brings up money and considering SWA pilots can fly a 737 domestic and make as much as a 747 pilot at DAL I'd be embarresed if I were the guy more than three time zones away.

 

[On Your Six]

Who cares where they fly every pilot I've ever flown with somehow brings up money and considering SWA pilots can fly a 737 domestic and make as much as a 747 pilot at DAL I'd be embarresed if I were the guy more than three time zones away.

So when DL matches your rates on our 737s and get more for bigger planes, what then will you say? What will make being a corndog different then? You get to fly MORE legs per day? Yeah! Good for you guys! Delta's better pay with the new contract will make Southwest guys at the bottom of their new SLI list think about coming over for something different than Providence to Columbus.


OYS

 

[goahead]

I don't work for SWA I'm on the outside looking in. I hope you guys do raise your rates as you should, what'll be interesting is how much scope you'll have sell out to get it, hopefully zero but I doubt it.

 

[On Your Six]

I don't work for SWA I'm on the outside looking in. I hope you guys do raise your rates as you should, what'll be interesting is how much scope you'll have sell out to get it, hopefully zero but I doubt it.

As other DL guys have stated before, the current contract is still mostly concessionary from the Delta bankruptcy. That, combined with the profits as of late, and it may be mostly giving by the company. Also, notice how fast and smooth the merger went with NWA compared to all of the other mergers? Apparently that wasn't by accident.


OYS

 

[flynvixen]

So when DL matches your rates on our 737s and get more for bigger planes, what then will you say? What will make being a corndog different then? You get to fly MORE legs per day? Yeah! Good for you guys! Delta's better pay with the new contract will make Southwest guys at the bottom of their new SLI list think about coming over for something different than Providence to Columbus.


OYS

Wont happen the ALPA job killing machine will soon be the recipient of another beat down when they start the old demand of more money for less work. Times have changed the companies are not playing that game anymore.

keep dreaming guys, keep dreaming, when you guys start working like SWAPA pilots maybe just maybe your company will start paying you like SWA pilots

I'm just saying

 

[redflyer65]

And Hawaii flights are usually low yield

OYS

OYS,

I love it when you try and act like you know what your talking about. Why don't you ask Alaskan how that's working out for them? Get your facts straight first. They are doing very, very well on those routes with the same -800's SW will be getting. Do you think Gary hasn't noticed? Don't you wonder why they recently changed the Rapid Rewards program?

 

[nimtz]

I can't wait for the day LUV goes to HNL in their sexy new 800's with New Age Sky Interior! My hope is that then perhaps this board won't be filled with a dozen threads per week that contain nothing but chest thumping about LUV coming to HNL!

 

[SKC]

Heck even HNL is what? 6 hours from LA ?

Eh, MHT-LAS with a big headwind takes longer than LAX-HNL.

 

[redflyer65]

or the hater's that continually say Southwest can't do X, Y, or Z. It's a non-stop on slaught of people from Delta bashing Southwest. The forum history proves that without question.

 

[Full of LUV]

or the hater's that continually say Southwest can't do X, Y, or Z. It's a non-stop on slaught of people from Delta bashing Southwest. The forum history proves that without question.

Delta bashing SW????? As an observer, it seems that the SW guys think that they are going to HNL, Europe and wherever with the best contract ever. If people point out the difficulties in starting service to those places, they are haters?

SWA has ended up with an industry leading contract through the BK of major competitors. Their one plane model lends to running a lean shop allowing those who want to work extra to make extra coin, easier done.

You have SWA pilots on here bashing ALPA as a "job killing machine" when I'm pretty sure ALPA does all it can to maintain pilot jobs, sometimes at it's own future expense.

For the sake of any future SWA newhires, I hope they do see some growth outside the lower 48, or it just may be more than a decade before anyone sees an upgrade. Best of luck on those growth plans.

 

[redflyer65]

Are you serious? Kind of like looking at things thru rose colored glasses.

Whether Southwest goes to HNL or not, or CRP or not, is really not the point of my post. How many times do you have to hear General, OYS, or others post anti-SW garbage?

Just like stating SW has a leading contract only because of Delta? Really? How about Southwest Corp may have had a better plan and didn't go into bankruptcy and actually works with its employees? How about owning 82 percent of their airframes. Does that matter?

I will never say I'm happy that Delta or NW went into bankruptcy. It was a black day, and in some respects a sham. They had money. They wanted to get under the old laws before they changed.

Can some of these guys from Delta say the same about SW? I don't think so. What is stated mostly is that we 'can't go international', 'can't go to Hawaii', can't continue to be successful for another 39 years.

I don't agree with the 'job killing maching' mantra. I do believe ALPA is a top heavy, get the dues sent upstream to Herndon organization. It started with awesome intentions, but now has strayed into a political organization that alot of times loses sight of the average line pilot....the guys that are paying their salary month in and month out.

The Delta guys want to pound their chest and tell us how they will raise the bar on pay this next time. I hope they do. It's good for the industry, but they always state it in a 'we'll be back on top instead of you' mentality. I don't see most SW guys really caring. It would bring all payscales up...which is good.

Cheers.

 

[FlyinGuy]

It would be a great day if Delta raised their narrow body pay to equal or beat SWA!!! I (and most pilots out there) are not in this business to one up the next guy. We are here to make a good living doing what we love to do. We all want a stable career with maximum earnings.

It is always laughable when someone comes on here and says SWA is at the top because everyone else took cuts. So what!!! That is like saying the Cowboys would have been the Super Bowl champs if they would have won all their games. Well they kinda messed that one up didn't they.

Each airline is where they are mostly because of the decisions of their management. There are some external factors that are out of their control (i.e. terrorism), but the company is only as good as the people who are making the big money decisions.

So....I have no idea why I said all that!!!!! But good luck to all my fellow aviators in their careers.

 

[Jetjockey]

Wont happen the ALPA job killing machine will soon be the recipient of another beat down when they start the old demand of more money for less work. Times have changed the companies are not playing that game anymore.

keep dreaming guys, keep dreaming, when you guys start working like SWAPA pilots maybe just maybe your company will start paying you like SWA pilots

I'm just saying

Vix, you are old broken record.

I'm just saying.

 

[waveflyer]

So when DL matches your rates on our 737s and get more for bigger planes, what then will you say? What will make being a corndog different then? You get to fly MORE legs per day? Yeah! Good for you guys! Delta's better pay with the new contract will make Southwest guys at the bottom of their new SLI list think about coming over for something different than Providence to Columbus.


OYS

Troll- I will love that day! Can't wait ! Wish you'd hurry up about it- we're on an island out here and if you get your rates up that'll solidify our contract's position- good for everyone-

But it does remind me of the rap line "You aint gotta like me, you're just mad cause I tell it how it is and you tell it how it might be..."

 

[DX Jake]

Wont happen the ALPA job killing machine will soon be the recipient of another beat down when they start the old demand of more money for less work. Times have changed the companies are not playing that game anymore.

keep dreaming guys, keep dreaming, when you guys start working like SWAPA pilots maybe just maybe your company will start paying you like SWA pilots

I'm just saying

Fix your signature 'bro. Churchill would roll in his grave.

 

[satpak77]

Looks like this turned into SWA v. DAL. Maybe we can return to civil discussion of this topic

 

[canyonblue]

I have it on good authority that SWA will begin HNL service with the delivery of the 8th 737-800. ANC service to begin next (2012) summer. Europe service (widebody aircraft) to begin 2 years later.

And I have it on good authority that Delta's service is the craps. At least that's what my neighbor who is a Frequent Flier tells me, he actually misses Northwest.

 

[generaltso]

Im just curious, what do SWA pilots eat on transcons? With no meals or what not, do you guys just grab stuff in the airport terminal or munch on snacks? Or do you guys have crew meals on board?

 

[obadie]

Generaltso, we eat bag lunches from Chick-fil-A

 

[mt2]

I think you missed my point.
It's the authority to operate in MNPS airspace with a two engine aircraft thats the hard part to obtain or ETOPS if you will. Not whether the 737 NG came to a company " ETOPS ready".

MTV

Of course there is no need for MNPS authority/quals if SWA is only going to Hawaii. ETOPS is another story. Apples and oranges. Just saying...