SWA Intel

[fr8doggie]

I have it on good authority that SWA will begin HNL service with the delivery of the 8th 737-800. ANC service to begin next (2012) summer. Europe service (widebody aircraft) to begin 2 years later.



Here's a question: Do any models of the 737 have an ADG/RAT? Is that required for ETOPS operations?

 

[Jetjockey]

I have it on good authority that SWA will begin HNL service with the delivery of the 8th 737-800. ANC service to begin next (2012) summer. Europe service (widebody aircraft) to begin 2 years later.



Here's a question: Do any models of the 737 have an ADG/RAT? Is that required for ETOPS operations?

What???? No superbowl picks??

 

[SKC]

Here's a question: Do any models of the 737 have an ADG/RAT? Is that required for ETOPS operations?

I don't believe any 737s have ADGs/RATs. No, not required for ETOPs.

 

[SKC]

I have it on good authority that SWA will begin HNL service with the delivery of the 8th 737-800. ANC service to begin next (2012) summer. Europe service (widebody aircraft) to begin 2 years later.

I have a feeling that the only widebody aircraft you'll see in this fleet in the near future is one that has multiple seat belt extensions.

 

[General Lee]

I have it on good authority that SWA will begin HNL service with the delivery of the 8th 737-800. ANC service to begin next (2012) summer. Europe service (widebody aircraft) to begin 2 years later.



Here's a question: Do any models of the 737 have an ADG/RAT? Is that required for ETOPS operations?

You forgot about the 12 day trip to Uranus. That will be followed by low level Nile and Amazon tours in the 717, and the twice weekly 737-300 shuttle service between El Paso and Antarctica. BTW, Allegiant can't start Hawaii service yet because of the lengthy ETOPS approval process, and they have the 757s now to do the service. (they are currently leasing them out in the meantime) And considering how long it actually took the SWA pilots to learn VNAV and how to use the autothrottles, it may take decades to start that service.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[145BOSS]

For 737 ETOPS operations the APU has to be left running for the entire ETOPS segment.

 

[GuppyWN]

You forgot about the 12 day trip to Uranus. That will be followed by low level Nile and Amazon tours in the 717, and the twice weekly 737-300 shuttle service between El Paso and Antarctica. BTW, Allegiant can't start Hawaii service yet because of the lengthy ETOPS approval process, and they have the 757s now to do the service. (they are currently leasing them out in the meantime) And considering how long it actually took the SWA pilots to learn VNAV and how to use the autothrottles, it may take decades to start that service.


Bye Bye---General Lee

I smell your fear.

Gup

 

[texman]

I think gen nuts is getting worried.LOL. Dal can give up a little intl flying. It won't hurt to throw swa a bone.

 

[dh82dvr]

What???? No superbowl picks??

There wont be one!

:bomb:

 

[SKC]

GL, just because Allegient has aircraft at their disposal and can't get certification doesn't mean they had all of their other ducks in a row.

 

[fr8doggie]

I don't believe any 737s have ADGs/RATs. No, not required for ETOPs.

Thanks for that.

Any SWA guys heard the HNL-ANC-EUR story? I got it from a highly placed SWA insider. Hope it is true.

 

[i fly boxes]

737s dont have ADGs or RAT's? What do they have?

 

[fr8doggie]

That will be followed by low level Nile and Amazon tours in the 717
Bye Bye---General Lee

Yeah, I used to do that in the Herk. It's great fun!

 

[SKC]

Thanks for that.

Any SWA guys heard the HNL-ANC-EUR story? I got it from a highly placed SWA insider. Hope it is true.

In my opinion HNL will happen, as ETOPS certification will be getting under way in the next few months (from what I hear). Obviously just getting the training programs planned and manuals written, etc, since it's another year before the a/c is even on property.

Gary even mentioned recently that Alaska was something the -800 could be used for, so that wouldn't be a surprise at all. There's been no mention of specifics in regards to ANC.

I can't imagine Europe being in our route network. It doesn't make sense. We don't have IFE, first class, inflight meals, lounges, and all those other things that business travelers want on those trans-oceanic flights. I wouldn't think that we'd jump into something like that if we knew that we wouldn't get anything from the business traveler.

 

[SKC]

737s dont have ADGs or RAT's? What do they have?

They have an APU that is operated in ETOPS airspace in the event of engine/generator failure.

 

[scrub]

Hey this was supposed to be kept on the down low!

 

[redflyer65]

The General will keep re-hashing his 'Southwest can't do anything' mantra as long as he can.

The other thing that most people don't know is that ETOPS work has been well underway already. Hawaii and Alaska are almost a definite. I see Europe and beyond down the road.

It could easily be run as a seperate international ops setup, fed by 3200 daily domestic flights. Timeline is a little bit more questionable. Gary has always pointed to 2012 being a big year for us. Plus the additional hiring of 200 more pilots now instead of the original 100. Thing are looking up.

RF

 

[dicko]

The General will keep re-hashing his 'Southwest can't do anything' mantra as long as he can.

The other thing that most people don't know is that ETOPS work has been well underway already. Hawaii and Alaska are almost a definite. I see Europe and beyond down the road.

It could easily be run as a seperate international ops setup, fed by 3200 daily domestic flights. Timeline is a little bit more questionable. Gary has always pointed to 2012 being a big year for us. Plus the additional hiring of 200 more pilots now instead of the original 100. Thing are looking up.

RF

Agreed.

The training guy who manages our 'ETOPS light' (60 minute exemption) has been liaising with the SWA ETOPS team. He was shocked that SWA was using 16 people to work on it. We used an intern, a ball of string and a gifted monkey.

 

[Skyboy722]

Plus the additional hiring of 200 more pilots now instead of the original 100. Thing are looking up.

RF

Where'd you hear this?

 

[redflyer65]

Where'd you hear this?

Sorry, I might have jumped the gun on that, it's pure rumor at this point but just what I'm hearing. When I get more solid info I will post it here.

RF

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Agreed.

The training guy who manages our 'ETOPS light' (60 minute exemption) has been liaising with the SWA ETOPS team. He was shocked that SWA was using 16 people to work on it. We used an intern, a ball of string and a gifted monkey.

I don't believe you for a second. There is no way Airtran would allocate a whole ball of string.

 

[Runningdog]

Did it look something like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFGyq1xcKEU

I couldn't resist!

 

[dicko]

I don't believe you for a second. There is no way Airtran would allocate a whole ball of string.

Apologies.

I failed to mention that the ball of string was not new. It was borrowed from the union offices. The ball of string has seen previous service during games of 'tie me up' that MEC officers enjoy after lunch on Tuesdays.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Plus the monkey spends most of his time in crew scheduling.

 

[ALSF 2]

I must admit, when the CEO states in our public in-flight magazine that the -800's will open us up to markets like Hawaii, Alaska, and the Caribbean...I am sure that the leases are already signed. This company does not do or say ANYTHING like that unless the contracts are signed, and they know the costs.

As as side note, there is an interesting rumor "on the line" about our ETOPS planning. Since we picked up those three -700's from Virgin Blue (ETOPS equipped) a few months back, no one has really seen them. I'm sure there out there, but I haven't run across a crew that has flown one. The rumor is that we are "well into the process for ETOPS certification" and have used those aircraft for it. There seem to be plenty of guys out there that have buddies at other carriers that "swear we saw a SWA painted aircraft at an FBO in Hawaii"

ALL TOTAL RUMORS! But it makes for good bar talk. I does make sense to get as much done as possible with the ETOPS stuff, and the finish it off when the -800's get here next year. Enjoy!

Cheers!!

 

[GhettoBeechjet]

I have seen the 3 airplanes on the line several times now and flew one last week FWIW

 

[FIREMAN]

AT has 22 737s equipped for ETOPS

 

[MTV]

AT has 22 737s equipped for ETOPS

Equipped for ETOPS does not mean much.

MTV

 

[FIREMAN]

Equipped for ETOPS does not mean much.

MTV

It will when SWA gets them, along with their ETOPS.

 

[ATRCAPT]

HNL definitely. ANC probably. Europe? If I never do that again it will be too soon. I would be very shocked/worried if GK started collecting wide bodies....well, other than the F/A's...