SWA/FL Codeshare

[SWA/FO]

Has he called to congratulate the senior F/O who upgraded into that AirTran Captain's seat

Hasn't happen yet. We have like 0 tranny airplanes over here.

 

[freightdogfred]

Hasn't happen yet. We have like 0 tranny airplanes over here.

Au Contrare, mon frere....those -800's were Airtran orders

 

[canyonblue]

You act like it's all our fault, when our Captains don't WANT to be bidding against your F/O's, they want to be bidding against your CA's where they belong.

Even if it were DOH, a large chunk of your Captains would have been FO's if there was a bump and flush, but you probably wouldn't have expected that either. What exactly was the gain for a Southwest pilot in this deal supposed to be? Remember, they had to entice us to get a yes vote also.

 

[canyonblue]

Au Contrare, mon frere....those -800's were Airtran orders

Yeah, right. :laugh:

 

[Lear70]

Hasn't happen yet. We have like 0 tranny airplanes over here.

Yes there are. 9 so far, 3 more in Jan and Feb, 3 more by summer. Would you like the hull numbers?

 

[SWA/FO]

Au Contrare, mon frere....those -800's were Airtran orders

yeah, Southwest had zero aircraft on order.

Yes there are. 9 so far, 3 more in Jan and Feb, 3 more by summer. Would you like the hull numbers?

yeah, like I said 0. Your 9 airplanes have not triggered any upgrades. Upgrades have been because we are light on Capts, & increase vacation time.

 

[ATLplt]

Hasn't happen yet. We have like 0 tranny airplanes over here.

Are you honestly THAT stupid in real life or do you play dumb on purpose when you post here? Serious question.

 

[humveedriver]

yeah, Southwest had zero aircraft on order.



yeah, like I said 0. Your 9 airplanes have not triggered any upgrades. Upgrades have been because we are light on Capts, & increase vacation time.

Not following that logic? You are already light on Captains. 9 additional AT 737s transition, but that does't INCREASE the need for upgrades?

 

[SWAdude]

OK, went back and tried to find the Gary Kelly letter after the SIA 1 vote, and couldn't find it, it was on Flica and they purge that after a few months so it's gone now, but here's a few tidbits from right after that:


What Linden left out of that, from the Gary Kelly letter that was in Flica, was this lovely excerpt:



Then, a few weeks later, this from a Southwest interview:



In between those two events were the negotiations and discussions I mentioned, where they very clearly laid out how they would not integrate us if they so chose, including the Board meeting which fell that Friday and can be verified through your own Board meeting minutes.

The threats were not very subtle at all. Do I think we would have been integrated eventually? Yes, they sold the deal to the DoJ and DoT on an integrated operation and no job loss which would be the basis for a lawsuit with teeth and injunctions to go along with it. Does it matter now? Not in the least. The threat accomplished its purpose; they scared the bejesus out of the pilot group, they started recalling reps and writing letters begging to be simply stapled, started FB pages for the same thing, etc, etc, and we had no choice but to take whatever it was GK then offered.

Checkmate.

Just for the "you weren't threatened" crowd, one last time so that people understand it in the proper perspective. Absent those threats, SIA 2 never sees the light of day and we go to arbitration. With those threats... we are where we are.

I recognize both those documents. Those made the rounds around here also. Too bad you can't find the one that gave you grave concern because I just don't see and "take this or your unemployed" type of statements. What I see is in your first letter actually quite a bit of reinsurance right under what you wanted to show.

Airtran MEC Special Message

August 22, 2011

Fellow Pilots,
Last week, your MEC made the difficult decision to turn down the Seniority Integration Agreements (SIA) that the Merger Committee reached with SWAPA and SWA management. While the MEC sincerely appreciated SWA management's efforts on the economic aspects of the agreement, MEC members, based on pilot input received, believe firmly that the seniority list itself could not be considered “fair and equitable” to our members. That seniority list resulted in an average loss of relative seniority of 22% for AirTran pilots and over a 30% loss of relative seniority for some of our pilots. The MEC appreciates the hard work by all parties that lead to the development of conditions and restrictions (C&Rs) that lessened the effects of the seniority loss for some AirTran pilots, but the MEC ultimately concluded that the agreement could not and would not be ratified by our pilots.

I have been in contact today with Bob Jordan to explain the MEC’s decision and express the above concerns. Although Southwest management is disappointed that the agreement was not ratified, they have also agreed that the Seniority Integration Process Agreement (SIPA) details the additional mediation and arbitration steps required. The Merger Committee continues their work this week in Washington, D.C. to prepare for mediation, which is scheduled to begin at the end of this month and continue through September. More information will be coming out shortly from the Merger Committee to describe the mediation process.

Many of you have reviewed Gary Kelly’s letter and/or listened to his phone message this afternoon. His plainly stated disappointment with the failure of the agreement is obvious, and some of his comments related to reviewing the status of the integration process are concerning. However, there were also many positive aspects of Mr. Kelly's message. First, he stated that "the integration process will continue, but at a much slower pace." He goes on to say that the company is "still on track for a single operating certificate," early next year, which is an important hurdle to clear for any airline merger. And I believe most importantly, he was clear to say that "our jobs are secure."

I want to stress that AirTran pilot leadership and all members of the MEC and its committees are still fully committed to a respectful and constructive integration process -- and one that provides the basis for continuing Southwest’s long record of success and positive culture.

Conversations with SWA management have included discussion of a meeting with them in the coming days. We hope to continue efforts to identify and work on any possible ideas that could eliminate the current logjam. We hope that those discussions will continue to highlight the many positives to an efficient and fair integration rather than focus on steps that are not likely to promote our shared goals. Mr. Kelly importantly reminded everyone to “take a deep breath” and keep working hard. That is exactly what we intend to do.

We also urge you to please follow Gary's advice about not listening to rumor and innuendo. You have my personal assurance that your union will communicate with you throughout this process and make sure that you have the most up-to-date, and more importantly, the most accurate information available. If you hear a rumor that doesn't match what you've heard from your union, please contact the MEC Office or a P2P member to get the real scoop.

In service,

Linden Hillman, Chairman
AirTran Master Executive Council

Someone must have the exact letter of which you are referring. I would really like to see it so maybe I can have a better understanding of where the AT pilots are coming from.

Thanks.

 

[Whataburger]

Hasn't happen yet. We have like 0 tranny airplanes over here.

I flew one.