SWA/FL Codeshare

[Dash Power]

Credibility damaged? Only in your mind.

Southwest never put that EXACT statement in writing, knowing they could get sued for OUTRIGHT violation of Federal Law.

What they did was do everything BUT that in writing, telling pilots in writing that they were investigating their options in NOT integrating the operation, while telling us very openly in negotiations that they would, in fact, NOT integrate the two airlines if we didn't agree to their terms, all the while knowing that all they had to do was strongly SUGGEST they would do that publicly and our pilots would capitulate, and also knowing that by outright telling our negotiators and MEC leadership, that we'd be opening ourselves to lawsuit by not putting it out to vote.

Which is all exactly what happened.

Again, absent that threat, the pilots wouldn't have started recalls and we NEVER would have sent out SIA 2. You think it's a coincidence that the recall effort started after that letter from GK? Just wouldn't have happened.

The AirTran pilots know EXACTLY what happened, what your management representatives did, what they said in open road shows when asked about non-integration "Plan B", then right before the vote, sent out another veiled threat in writing which said "If you agree to this deal, we GUARANTEE integration", which leaves the other side of the coin, "Shoot it down and we go with Plan B", which was what they had been saying in the road shows.

You can believe whatever you like. The AirTran pilots voted out of fear for their jobs. The. Fu*king. End. Twist it however you want (and I know you will), I'm done. The AirTran pilots know well what happened, and I'm pretty much through giving a rat sh*t whether a small percentage of you SWA pilots believe it or not, most of you get it, and that's enough for me. It's over, your management played the pilots here masterfully, and our pilots gave up the right to go to arbitration because we were too scared to take the risk with the threats, both written and verbal, put out in the open.

All of which is moot at this point, except the lessons learned.

You are the one that said there was a letter from GK to the AT pilots that said "take this or you are unemployed". If there is such a letter then produce it.

Everyone understands your concerns about integration. I read that there are reasonable limits, so far.

No one got played. But if that is how you find your happy place then press on.

 

[Dash Power]

Yeah, everyone always documents exactly what they say to everyone.... Is that a court reporter following you? Idiot....


Bye Bye---General Lee

Lear70 said there was a letter saying such.

Now who is the idiot?

 

[Dash Power]

I just didn't think to save a FLICA memo from over a year ago, that would have saved my FI credibility. If you don't have credibilty on anonymous message boards, what's left?

Someone must have. Letters like what is stated I am certain is saved over others that have been shared here.

 

[Lear70]

Plan B? That was FO's starting engines, what did you think it was?

*chuckle*

I'm just over hearing people say there weren't any threats. Irritates me that people try to twist the truth that just because something wasn't overt, that it didn't happen. They had to be legal, thus what was written was vague but got their point across, and what was in person and not "on the record" was very direct.

You guys got threatened that arbitration would be allowed and it would go poorly for you, so you guys ratified it, even though some of you would liked to have fought that fight.

We got threatened with our jobs, so we ratified it, even though some of us would like to have fought that fight.

There's really not much more to say. We're here. Let's move on.

 

[Dash Power]

*chuckle*

I'm just over hearing people say there weren't any threats. Irritates me that people try to twist the truth that just because something wasn't overt, that it didn't happen. They had to be legal, thus what was written was vague but got their point across, and what was in person and not "on the record" was very direct.

You guys got threatened that arbitration would be allowed and it would go poorly for you, so you guys ratified it, even though some of you would liked to have fought that fight.

We got threatened with our jobs, so we ratified it, even though some of us would like to have fought that fight.

There's really not much more to say. We're here. Let's move on.

Dead, dead, dead wrong. Like you, we were threatened with nothing by anyone.

 

[Lear70]

Dead, dead, dead wrong. Like you, we were threatened with nothing by anyone.

You have a very Merry Christmas, mkay?

 

[canyonblue]

*chuckle*

I'm just over hearing people say there weren't any threats.

I understand, I only wonder that if so many believed SWA was so evil that they would actually carry through with that threat, why would they believe arbitration would not carry a few surprises from the same evil place. I guess the point I am making is, if there was not such a threat would the vote be any different, and if it would of, would SWA Management be any less evil if it went to arbitration.

 

[Dash Power]

You have a very Merry Christmas, mkay?

You too!! Although Using something as sacred with sarcasm is a true display of character.

 

[SWAdude]

I understand, I only wonder that if so many believed SWA was so evil that they would actually carry through with that threat, why would they believe arbitration would not carry a few surprises from the same evil place. I guess the point I am making is, if there was not such a threat would the vote be any different, and if it would of, would SWA Management be any less evil if it went to arbitration.

+1

Well said.

 

[General Lee]

I understand, I only wonder that if so many believed SWA was so evil that they would actually carry through with that threat, why would they believe arbitration would not carry a few surprises from the same evil place. I guess the point I am making is, if there was not such a threat would the vote be any different, and if it would of, would SWA Management be any less evil if it went to arbitration.

Ummmm, you don't seem to understand arbitration. A guy, or a group of them, listen to each side (union people) talk about what each side is bringing to the table, etc. Then, they decide, without any outside influence. They are getting paid a fee, they don't have bias, they are called NEUTRALS. Then, they give the award, and an explanation. If people are upset, they are upset at the arbitrators, not their own people or management. If you think SWA had "all the goods" for this merger, the arbitrators would probably see it that way also, and would have awarded accordingly. It's just that easy, and your people decided against it. That was bad.....


Bye Bye---General Lee