SWA delaying new planes, adding used Westjet birds --article

[redflyer65]

Looks like Delta Connection is about to hire 3500 pilots in the not so distant future.

That's some serious hiring right around the corner. I hope they can handle the 9. (-900 that is)

 

[texman]

Well stated. It's a swap of fortunes. SWA had a VERY GOOD last decade, and the legacies got nailed. It's about to turn around, at least hiring wise, in a couple years, and then it won't stop. Will that tempt bottom SWA guys to look at the hiring at all 3 legacies? Probably. When over 4000 pilots are scheduled to leave a carrier within 5 years (DL--2020-2024), that could mean insane upward movement, meaning better QOL and pay (not all planes on same payscale).


Bye Bye---General Lee

Then your cycle of going bankrupt will happen again

 

[texman]

justthinking is obviously not thinking.

This tired old "give back pay to make ROI" is false. We could give back 50% of our pay and only make ROI move a few percent. We are not going to give back 50% in pay or work rules. We are not going to give back anything as long as the other airlines pilots pay are rising above ours, and we continue to make money. 15% ROI be damned, FUPM.

You are exactly right score.

 

[SWA Bubba]

Just Thinking wasn't just not thinking. It was a purposeful dig. He's one of those AirTran guys who makes the worst out of anything, just to be an ass. He knows better, but he just wants to make Southwest sound as bad as possible in any possible case, no matter what. Ditto Fletch, 717, and a few others. We have a few of those at Southwest, as well.

Bubba

 

[madjack]

AAI guys can't really complain much except for the departure of the 717 and the lack of a rebid...the SLI was was not unfair (DOH -2.5) for AAI pilots (sure you wanted more) and the SWA contract is superior. SL9 not going to a vote was a big mistake by AT/ALPA MEC (probably would have failed on SWA side and passed on AAI, then arbitration)...but not allowing a rebid post 717 announcement seems like a big mistake on SWA mgmts part...you risk further damage to the culture to save a few bucks...the same "tripping over dollars to save a few pennies" mentality can be seen on the SWA side as monthly displacements from MCO continue...sad.

 

[scoreboardII]

To finish the ROI story, the reason Gary wants 15% is his bonus goes from 3 times to five times annual pay if he hits 15%. There is no other magic business reason why 15% is needed other than to pad GKs pocket.

 

[General Lee]

AAI guys can't really complain much except for the departure of the 717 and the lack of a rebid...the SLI was was not unfair (DOH -2.5) for AAI pilots (sure you wanted more) and the SWA contract is superior. SL9 not going to a vote was a big mistake by AT/ALPA MEC (probably would have failed on SWA side and passed on AAI, then arbitration)...but not allowing a rebid post 717 announcement seems like a big mistake on SWA mgmts part...you risk further damage to the culture to save a few bucks...the same "tripping over dollars to save a few pennies" mentality can be seen on the SWA side as monthly displacements from MCO continue...sad.

They can't complain much? Tell me another merger that didn't have any Capt positions given to the purchased company? Where everyone had to go to FO and not stay Capt? Even the TWA guys had remaining 757 and MD80 Capts in STL. That would never happen in arbitration, especially since AT was bringing planes to the merger, along with future orders. Come on now, everyone knows that wasn't the "cleanest" SLI, and arbitration would have had a different result. Sorry, but you can keep telling yourself they shouldn't be complaining......right.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[waveflyer]

General-

All I heard was you...blah blah blah blah lag blah blah blah blah SWA blah blah

They got a good deal-

If anybody has a right to be pissed, it's junior FOs at SWA

 

[Scoot 11]

Yes...1 more! Now it's a party!

 

[General Lee]

General-

All I heard was you...blah blah blah blah lag blah blah blah blah SWA blah blah

They got a good deal-

If anybody has a right to be pissed, it's junior FOs at SWA

Why is that Wave? Were they "better" than the AT pilots? Did every AT guy want to go to SWA? Welcome to the airline business.


Bye Bye---General Lee