SWA DB- DING You suck!

[FlyBoeingJets]

I know of at least two different people who have gotten hired at SWA that are nothing but aviation trash. One has the personality of a rock, the other is a egomaniac that we celebrate the day he left.

These people must be very good actors. But, just maybe, they have changed their spots and no one will ever know they were ever as you described.

You never know when people will wake up, smell the coffee and change where their lives are going.

 

[enigma]

These people must be very good actors. But, just maybe, they have changed their spots and no one will ever know they were ever as you described.

You never know when people will wake up, smell the coffee and change where their lives are going.

FlyBoeingJets, if your statement is correct, "just maybe, they have changed their spots and no one will ever know they were ever as you described", then that effectively proves that the "tell me about a time"-"past performance predicts future performance" interview technique is not a reliable predictor of personality. It is believed to be exceedingly rare that someone change personality. I'll be so bold as to say that someone who changes personality is most likely mentally ill. I do believe that one can change their outlook on life, I believe that because I have done so myself.

I'd like to see statistics about the pass rate for properly coached/prepared interviewees versus non prepped interviewees. If there is any difference between the fail rates favoring the prepped interviewees, that should indicate to a reasonable person that the process is not reliable.

I most certainly don't speak for coaches such as Albie, but I'll bet that they believe their service to be of value.

It all leads me to state again, If I ever get lucky enough to get another interview (long time readers will know that I've passed one SWA interview and failed another. The first time I passed the interview but didn't pass the DB).....IF I ever get another interview. I WILL BUY PREP!


good luck to everyone,
enigma

 

[FlyAuburn]

This statement is not entirely true. I know of at least two different people who have gotten hired at SWA that are nothing but aviation trash. One has the personality of a rock, the other is a egomaniac that we celebrate the day he left. On the other hand, I know of some extremely good people with types who have not gotten hired by SWA. Sad but true.[/QUOTE
 
Amen!

 

[Chuck Yogourt]

What I failed to mention in my post above is that I did interview at SWA in January of 2001. Would I have left Midwest for them? Yes. They shot me down. I was the only civilian out of 10 military guys. The most time there was 3,000 hours by some Navy guy who wasn't sure he wanted out of the Navy. I thought my interview went well. I interviewed one on one with 2 captains and a H.R. person. The female captain had a hard time with the fact that I would leave Midwest as an 11 year captain. I did not have a type.

I don't have any grudges with SWA. They are a class act and I would have loved to spend the rest of my career there. It was not to be. I am happy where I am and it would have taken me years to make up the money I would have lost had I gone. Would I go now, four years later. No.

 

[FearlessFreep]

Hey Gatorade,

You didn't really want to drink that Koolaid now did you?

No aspersions on the WN folks.

The PD is duplicitious in their intentions (Oh, we really LUV You!). I interviewed twice, and had numerous instances that this was illustrated. Not going to bother with a third time unless I really want to be entertained. It's just a game they play.

They (the PD) know who they are going to hire before the flood of all the applicants come in for the "interview". The actual individuals that they know they are going to hire are in fact the only one's they are really evaluating. For the rest of the "if your qualified you will get an interview" masses the process is just a sham. They just write it off as a business expense.

For the most part I hold most of the "working class" WN personnel in high regard. They work long and hard for what they get.

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

It is believed to be exceedingly rare that someone change personality. I'll be so bold as to say that someone who changes personality is most likely mentally ill. I do believe that one can change their outlook on life, I believe that because I have done so myself.

I spit coke out of my nose when I read this. Mentally ill?? Then I guess we aren't talking about the same thing. One's outlook on life affects personality in a very BIG way.

We can just say that we don't understand each other. Otherwise I'm inclined to think you are saying you are mentally ill with your logic. Which I know is not intended. I don't think you are mentally ill either.

What are the warning signs of depression? Mood swings, personality changes, ....

 

[Whine Lover]

Gatorade,

Here's the deal:

- There are 10,000 qualified guys on the street.

- SWA interviews as many as possible.

- They choose who they want.

If that's 1% or 90% that's THEIR BUSINESS.

Typically, I believe, it's less than 10%.

Get over it.

Try again.

Lose the attitude.

WL

 

[ivauir]

They (the PD) know who they are going to hire before the flood of all the applicants come in for the "interview". The actual individuals that they know they are going to hire are in fact the only one's they are really evaluating. For the rest of the "if your qualified you will get an interview" masses the process is just a sham. They just write it off as a business expense.

This is so illogical that it hardly merits a reply, but you suckered me in ....

- SWA looks for ways to cut costs in every deptarment, every day, but they intentionally interview people they KNOW they won't hire?

- Why hire reinterviews then? Yet it happens all of the time.

- The "if you're qualified you will get an interview" days are gone for now. Yet the hiring percentage is about the same as it was. That tells me that there is something beyond numbers at work here, something that they can only determine face to face.

Freep, I am sorry it didn't work out for you. I am batting .750 for the freinds I have tried to help and I can't break the code on why some guys got turned down. So I sure don't have all of the answers, but I'll bet you all the tea in China that they only call in candidates who they think they'll hire.

Good luckand tailwinds to all ...

 

[OffHot]

Man this thread is taken on a life of its own. For those who don't like our process then don't apply, we a not forcing anyone. The process is what it is, no dirty secrets (like we already know who we a going to hire). No preference for military over civilian (and oh by the way if you haven't ever flown in the military don't rag about your hours vs. theirs because they are not the same good or bad---if your military and have never flown with an airline it also is not the same so don't think one is better than the other). The vast majority of us at SWA enjoy the airline and those it hires, and that is what truely matters.

 

[Jetjockey]

If an applicant made it to the DB, but was not selected, does that person go into some sort "maybe next year" pile? I have heard many people get selected on subsequent interviews. I'm wondering how difficult it is to get that second chance, when there are so many qualified people who have not yet interviewed.

 

[Hobiehawker]

Good point. I interviewed for that SWA Chicks in Planes scholarship a few years ago. I was so gung ho about it. It took me about a year to get over it when I didn't get it. As it turns out, besides for the fact that it would be nice to be making $100K right now, I AM SO HAPPY THEY TURNED ME DOWN
/

So what are you doing now that makes up for the rejection?

Just curious.

 

[Falconjet]

She's going to UPS.

Hence the no more passengers in the sign off.

FJ

 

[Hobiehawker]

She's going to UPS.

Hence the no more passengers in the sign off.

FJ

I missed she was in the pool. Congratulations are in order. I know thats what you really wanted. Not many are as fortunate as you.

 

[Falconjet]

I don't know that for a fact but that is what I have surmised from reading various comments from her and others on the UPS threads.

Got to keep and eye on what is going on with the competition.

FJ

 

[ivauir]

If an applicant made it to the DB, but was not selected, does that person go into some sort "maybe next year" pile? I have heard many people get selected on subsequent interviews. I'm wondering how difficult it is to get that second chance, when there are so many qualified people who have not yet interviewed.

No there isn't a second chance based on one interview. That is the bad news, the good news is that they will interview you again (and again and again ....). I have never heard any numbers as to success rate for multiple interviews, but it is tough to beat dogged determination. It may seem unfair for someone to get multiple interviews while there are folks waiting for their first shot, but it takes a lot of guts to dust yourself off and try again when you've been rejected before ... I have a buddy who just had his second chance interview ... I am crossing my fingers but my phone hasn't rang.

 

[enigma]

It is believed to be exceedingly rare that someone change personality. I'll be so bold as to say that someone who changes personality is most likely mentally ill. I do believe that one can change their outlook on life, I believe that because I have done so myself.

I spit coke out of my nose when I read this. Mentally ill?? Then I guess we aren't talking about the same thing. One's outlook on life affects personality in a very BIG way.

We can just say that we don't understand each other. Otherwise I'm inclined to think you are saying you are mentally ill with your logic. Which I know is not intended. I don't think you are mentally ill either.

What are the warning signs of depression? Mood swings, personality changes, ....

"One's outlook on life affects personality"?
Say again?

I'm no psychiatrist, but I believe that a psychiatrist would tell you that personality doesn't change. That's what I first posted, and I firmly believe that to be true. Personality doesn't change. Attitude can change, outlook can change, motivation can change, but personality doesn't change.

regards,
engima

PS I just noticed your last line aobut warning signs of depression, the last time I looked, depression is a mental ILLNESS. You never know what affliction the APA has determined to be a mental illness or not, but I believe that depression still is classified as such. Maybe I'll google it and get back to ya. Oh yeah, NOPE I don't suffer from depression.

 

[MarylandONE]

Gatorade,

I'm sorry you didn't get the job but the way you expressed you disappointment is a testament to why you didn't get the job. Attitude is everything around here.

Good luck on your next attempt.

 

[WillowRunVortex]

Sounds to me like the hiring process worked perfectly...

Mr. Scoreboard doesnt rant because the Government programed him not to.

 

[Chuck Yogourt]

Gatorade,

I'm sorry you didn't get the job but the way you expressed you disappointment is a testament to why you didn't get the job. Attitude is everything around here.

Good luck on your next attempt.

Sorry I have to say this MarylandONE but the paint job on your 737 avatar is one heck of an ugly airplane. Please tell me that it is not out in the system.

 

[flyer4hire]

Just watch that show "Airline" on A&E. It cured any desire I had to drive I mean fly a greyhound bus for SWA.

No thanks!