SWA DB- DING You suck!

[gutshotdraw]

Never drink before you post....

 

[gutshotdraw]

Gatorade,

As Bubba would say: "I feel your pain." Took the trip to Dallas in December of 2000 and things went exactly as you describe. I saved the 8 grand and didn't buy the type which may have cost me the gig. No worries. As James Clavell wrote: "Karma is Karma."

I may be good or I may be lucky (I'm leaning toward lucky), but I ended up exactly where I am supposed to be. Keep pushing on LUV if that's where you think you should be but don't let this STUPID business get you down.

I think sailpilot has the right idea. It's 5 O'clock somewhere so trim the main, turn up the Buffett, and pour the Captain.

 

[cfm56-7b]

Hola!!

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[Juvat]

So, let's recap. SWA won't call me because I'm not a swinging dick military guy or an RJ captain, and other companies are wary because of the type rating! I CAN'T FREAKIN' WIN!!!

Um....no, you haven't been called because you're a whiner too.

 

[Juvat]

Why don't you shut your hole. You have no idea how I interview.

Yes, but we do know how you post. And as they say at SWA PD, past performance predicts future performance.

YOU! Out of the gene pool!

 

[Goose Egg]

I'm just a CFI flunky, but even I know that "We want to hire all of you." and "We will hire all of you." are two completely different statements conveying two completely different intents. I may not know much about airline interviewing per se, but I've definitely "been there, done that" with job interviews in general.

Just an observation.

-Goose

 

[Sailpilot]

Gatorade,

It's 5 O'clock somewhere so trim the main, turn up the Buffett, and pour the Captain.

Amen Brother, and if you play for the gutshotstraight the game is on my boat in Key West usually on thurs. PM me and we'll open a seat. It's nice to see there is another poker addict out there flying and sailing between hands.

Blue skies and Tailwinds

 

[Scooby74]

Gator,

I interviewed in December '04 with your same outcome. Of course there were a couple things that could have been improved upon...there always will be. But, to hear an interviewer say, "Wow, you are displaying some incredible qualities we are looking for at Southwest Airlines.", and still get the letter. That was disappointing. Well, the people that interview you don't make the final decision. That is kinda unfortunate. I was fortunate because I was lucky enough to get a phone call to start with. A few of my friends(all of us know the same people at SWA) have had their stuff in for years with far more experience than I who have not been called. Will I reapply in December...you bet I will. When I got the letter it changed my attitude. Maybe I should contribute more at work. I was appointed to the Professional standards committee and have started the workings of an employee fundraising committee to help the less fortunate members of our company. I haven't felt that sense of accomplishment in a long time. It feels great. I have 19 days off in August with 84 credit hours. I am flying out to AZ for my buddy's 31 B-day bash, then going to the lake in WI for the weekend, then floatin' down the Current River in MO. September is the Trip to Munich for Octoberfest. Can you believe I have never left the country. My point being.... everything happens for a reason. I understand that it wasn't my time to be part of the Southwest family. I have to do a few more things with my current family before I move on. If it wasn't for "the letter", I wouldn't have accomplished some of the things I have these past few months.

The results from my interview group....5 out of 12 hired. There were 4 with military experience and 1 Skywest Captain. A good friend of mine and I interviewed on the same day. He was hired and went to class in May. He said his class was 50/50. All for what it's worth. Fly Safe......Scoob!!

 

[ATRCAPT]

Yes, but we do know how you post. And as they say at SWA PD, past performance predicts future performance.

YOU! Out of the gene pool!

Gimme a break! Come down off your holier-than thou tower! I fart in your general direction.

 

[AA717driver]

SWA people were always great to me while commuting for 16 years. I'd love to have gotten on there when I got furloughed.

BUT. I have always known it was a gamble to interview anywhere. SWA would be a $10,000 gamble. I couldn't do it. Good luck to all who go out and drop the bucks to play the game--I hope you win. But it's too rich for me.

Now, where did I leave that blender... TC

 

[Turbojet]

Gatorade, one final thought. Are there any guys at SWA who you have burned bridges with in the past? SWA does post a list of folks scheduled to interview and encourages pilots to offer online rec (Good/and bad) hopefully not the later. Maybe that is what happened. If it is a strong posibility, it might be time to put out some long burning fires or if thats not possible to just forget about SWA and move on.

I hope this is not the case,
TJ

 

[capt. megadeth]

Don't be to hard on yourself or SWA for that matter. SWA is not the last word in an airline career. QUOTE]

Good point. I interviewed for that SWA Chicks in Planes scholarship a few years ago. I was so gung ho about it. It took me about a year to get over it when I didn't get it. As it turns out, besides for the fact that it would be nice to be making $100K right now, I AM SO HAPPY THEY TURNED ME DOWN (Yeah, yeah, yeah, I am sure some of you Stepford SWA Pilots are happy too....whatever). My point is that this may be a blessing in disguise for you.

One other thing........I just love the "Try again.....you may get hired on the 3rd try." WHAT A JOKE!!!!!!!! "Sir, you are not good enough today, but you may be good enough next year." WTFO??????/

 

[capt. megadeth]

In other words, Hey SWA PD, don't let the current job market go to your head.

Too late.

 

[klhoard]

. . <snip>. . I just love the "Try again.....you may get hired on the 3rd try." WHAT A JOKE!!!!!!!! "Sir, you are not good enough today, but you may be good enough next year." WTFO??????/

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[Juvat]

Gimme a break! Come down off your holier-than thou tower! I fart in your general direction.

Your eloquent post is another case in point. And thanks for the mental picture...don't strain yourself while pointing your butt skyward as you fart.

 

[canyonblue]

I just love the "Try again.....you may get hired on the 3rd try." WHAT A JOKE!!!!!!!! "Sir, you are not good enough today, but you may be good enough next year." WTFO??????/

The fact remains that there is still a human factor involved in the hiring process. The very same interview with one person in 2004 could have had a different outcome in 2005, unfortunately that is what happens when humans get involved. Just because some guy may of dumped you at one time, you didn't give up on men right? We all know of someone who was turned down, but without being in the interview or knowing all the details, there is not much that can be done besides going through all the steps of grief. I'd be pissed off too, and the man has a right to vent, after all it is one of the steps.

1-Denial-"this can't be happening to me", No crying. Not accepting or even acknowledging the rejection.

2-Anger-"why me?", feelings of wanting to fight back or get even with the airline, anger at the airline, blaming them for not hiring you.

3-Bargaining-bargaining often takes place before the loss. Attempting to make deals with the airline who is interviewing, or attempting to make deals with God to stop or change the loss. Begging, wishing, praying for them to hire you.

4-Depression-overwhelming feelings of hopelessness, frustration, bitterness, self pity, mourning loss of type rating cost, as well as the hopes, dreams and plans for the future. Feeling lack of control, feeling numb. Perhaps feeling suicidal.

5-Acceptance-there is a difference between resignation and acceptance. You have to accept the loss, not just try to bear it quietly. Realization that it takes two to make or break an interview. Realization that the airline will not hire you that it is not their fault, they didn't reject you on purpose. (even in cases of suicide, often the deceased person, was not in their right frame of mind) Finding the good that can come out of the pain of loss, finding comfort and healing. Our goals turn toward personal growth. Stay with fond memories of the airline.

Get help. You will survive. You will heal, even if you cannot believe that now, just know that it is true.

 

[FlyAuburn]

So why bring so many applicants and turn so many down? I heard that it costs $1,100 per applicant. Not only that, but I know of people that there's no way in hell should've been hired. It's stupid.

 

[capt. megadeth]

So why bring so many applicants and turn so many down? I heard that it costs $1,100 per applicant. Not only that, but I know of people that there's no way in hell should've been hired. It's stupid.

Well, fortunately for some and unfortunately for others, no airline has mastered the interview process.......not even SWA.

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

So why bring so many applicants and turn so many down? I heard that it costs $1,100 per applicant. Not only that, but I know of people that there's no way in hell should've been hired. It's stupid.

There is another thread on this subject buried from last month.

I'm not sure why they bring in so many. I do know they block off a week for interviewing. I figure they want to bring in as many people as possible during that week as they can. It doesn't cost much more to bring in 40 people instead of the best 20. There is no sim test at SWA.

Every hiring cycle is different. If the company needs 30 hires a month they get the best they can, plain and simple. They can hold out a little while for more competitive folks but eventually the pool needs to be fed to so the cockpits filled.


Have an opinion on some peers do you? Macho talk about so and so points directly back to you as someone who doesn't play well with others. It also says a lot about your ability to instruct and share your knowledge. You may be looked at as the one to cause trouble or quit for greener pastures at the earliest opportunity. You might be better but you might be more expensive too.

The airline interview is not a test of flying strength or like winning the lottery but, IMHO, is something in-between. Experience is important but timing is often more so.

 

[MotoX]

dang!

I haven't even interviewed yet and you all have me sweating bullets! As for the 8,000 Gs for the type, well it's gone and there is no looking back! Even if I never make it out of a barbie jet, atleast I can tell my grand kids I am typed in a "big jet"!!

 

[FlyAuburn]

You're as accurate as Mrs. Cleo. Was that her name? Maybe you have a crystal ball and can tell what my personality is like. Are you that confident that the system is flawless? I'm saying that it doesn't make sense. Just like Capt. Mega, you should at least admit that. Macho? Hardly. You've always had a good opinion of every co-worker? You're so off base. Trust me, I know how to play well with others. Especially, SWA people. But, I won't waste my time telling you how.

 

[BenderGonzales]

So I take it you folks didn't like my PFT theory?

 

[mach zero]

You're as accurate as Mrs. Cleo. Was that her name? Maybe you have a crystal ball and can tell what my personality is like. Are you that confident that the system is flawless? I'm saying that it doesn't make sense. Just like Capt. Mega, you should at least admit that. Macho? Hardly. You've always had a good opinion of every co-worker? You're so off base. Trust me, I know how to play well with others. Especially, SWA people. But, I won't waste my time telling you how.

I am surprised at this kind of attitude from a fellow AU grad.

 

[FlyAuburn]

I am surprised at this kind of attitude from a fellow AU grad.

First, War Eagle! No attitude here. Honestly. I'm just making an observation and at the same time asking why SWA would spend so much money and time. Someone answered that it doesn't affect that much. cool. That's enough for me.
I've had beers with SWA old timers that have been there a lot longer than any of us in this industry, and they ask the same question that I'm asking. They've recommended great candidates, but no luck. The fact is that the system is not flawless. You gotta at least admit that. If SWA is wasting so much money, wouldn't you be concerned? I would. But, apparently, it's not. That's great. I guess that rumor is not accurate.
It's hard to convey a tone through these posts, but don't judge so quickly.
War Eagle!

 

[FlyAuburn]

So I take it you folks didn't like my PFT theory?

I would agree with that. Like you posted, may not be in his case.

 

[MJG]

There are thousands upon thousands of pilots all competing for those 400-500 jobs a year. I know pilots are bad with numbers but do the math already. Not trying to rain on anyone's parade but the odds of getting hired at LUV right now are very, very slim.

These places offering 73 types must be laughing all the way to the bank......

 

[ATRCAPT]

Your eloquent post is another case in point. And thanks for the mental picture...don't strain yourself while pointing your butt skyward as you fart.

Okay Sparky, you know what......Na, forget it. Why am I wasting energy on the likes of you when I could be cleaning my toilet?

 

[gern_blanston]

OK, points for being a Monty Python fan.

 

[HalinTexas]

I was formulating a long eloquent post that falls in line with this string, but I'm on vacation, starting today, and I've been drinking.

Life ain't fair, but most of the time it's grand.

 

[reospeedwagon]

I am not going to waste my time by reading all of the follow up pages to this thread. All I have to say is that all you guys who think SWA is the cats azz need a lesson in history. SWA was a last resort prior to 9/11 and now everyone thinks they are SO AWESOME!!! WHATEVA. SWA blows and I dont want to ever work there....and no I have never interviewed or intend to. LATER SUCKA'S!


p.s. I HAVE GAS.