SWA/Airtran Process Agreement??

[Empennage]

So, every other group was different? Each group started the same way you have, and it ALWAYS lead to arbitration. Just cut to the chase and get on with it. That way, less rhetoric will come out, and you can blame arbitrators later if unhappy, not each other. It would be great if you could do it, but it is unlikely, sorry.


OYS

Pour it on.

They are all tuning out. That is those who don't have an active ignore list.

To working together guys! Cheers.

 

[On Your Six]

Pour it on.

They are all tuning out. That is those who don't have an active ignore list.

To working together guys! Cheers.

The AT guys seem interested, which is the group that needs to read this. This is important.


OYS

 

[Tripower455]

You're nervous, which is understandable. I don't speak for The General, but it seems he and I just want fairness for you guys. If you're against getting a fair SLI, then it all makes sense.


OYS

Whatever OYSterGleek......

You're a troll, pure and simple, and add nothing to the discussion.

One screen name wasn't enough to troll FI, you had to get 2?

Have a nice day......

 

[Empennage]

The AT guys seem interested, which is the group that needs to read this. This is important.


OYS

No you have successfully tuned them out. Props to your successful endeavor.

 

[GhettoBeechjet]

So, why again would getting a FAIR ruling divide your group? And, also why would this not be seen as bringing the groups together, as opposed to tearing them apart with the rhetoric spewing from plenty of SWA pilots on this board? I think most of the posts from me and even The General state for you to bring down the talk of stapling, and to just go for a fair deal for everyone. Does that sound like something to divide the group? Look around at every other recent merger. Did any of them not go to arbitration? Oh, you guys are DIFFERENT. That is your problem right there, you really aren't. Every group wants to get the best deal over the other group, which isn't fair. And I think Delta had dealt with Airtran fine over the last decade in ATL, and your costs are going up, not down, in ATL, while dumping first class. Sounds good to me
OYS[/QUOTE

I have no problem with a deal that is fair for everyone. As someone who has to work with guys from both sides for the next 24+ years I want a solution that keep creates the best possiable work environment for everyone so we can all get about the buisness of taking care of our customers. The fact is that a negotiated settlement is by nature less contentious than an arbitrated one. I expect you are right in that this will end up in arbitration but unlike you I hope for a negotiated settlement. I believe that you hope for a SWA civil war as it would benefit you as employee of DAL.
Different? Yes and no. Every airline combination is unique in its own ways. You are right in that both ALPA and SWAPA have a legal and moral obligation to try and get the best deal for their group. Both unions would like to see a staple with their group on top. We are different in that we have been fortunate enough to be very well managed. We are different in that our customers are generally happy with our service and aren't farmed out to RJ operators. Ohh and we are different in that we make money and have never declared bankruptcy.
Handeled Airtran fine? Really? DAL lost $318 million in the first quarter.

 

[GhettoBeechjet]

You're nervous, which is understandable. I don't speak for The General, but it seems he and I just want fairness for you guys. If you're against getting a fair SLI, then it all makes sense.


OYS

I think you're the one that's nervous. You're nervous that a combined AAI SWA will cause further financial damage to your carrier. If you are afraid of that then your obsessive posting on a topic that doesn't affect you makes sense.



Luv,
Ghetto

 

[scoreboardII]

Was your post constructive ? It's a thinly veiled threat directed at your fellow employees.

Yes it was constructive to those who want to learn.

No, not a threat, just a statement of historical fact.

My fellow employee's are represented by SWAPA, not ALPA. So if you want to be a fellow employee, why not just become part of SWAPA?

The USAIR reference was just one of many past outcomes that turned out less than desired, Transtar, Muse, TWA, Pan Am, F9, and the list goes on and on.

Arbitration is a fools game.

 

[Empennage]

New Thread

OYS has started a new thread. It is his relentless pursuit of perfection .. Of what I have no idea.

Moderator ... please merge the threads. The rhetoric is too much.

 

[GoodTimes]

Ghetto and Empennage,

Ignore the Delta Duo. They're obsessive, little, fearful men who are trying to justify making some bad career decisions. Southwestern Airways is the reason for their pathetic lot in life....gotta blame someone, right?

 

[Empennage]

Ghetto and Empennage,

Ignore the Delta Duo. They're obsessive, little, fearful men who are trying to justify making some bad career decisions. Southwestern Airways is the reason for their pathetic lot in life....gotta blame someone, right?

I see your point and the good airtran folks on this board are too. It is time to work together.

 

[Empennage]

Ghetto and Empennage,

Ignore the Delta Duo. They're obsessive, little, fearful men who are trying to justify making some bad career decisions. Southwestern Airways is the reason for their pathetic lot in life....gotta blame someone, right?

On ignore list. Fly safe today.

 

[GoodTimes]

Sweeet. Looking forward to working with you E.

 

[B727Driver]

Of course OYS is nervous. Being at the bottom of the DAL list would mean he/she would be one of the first ones furloughed, again. Instead of worrying about the AT pilots, update your resume. Good luck troll.

 

[shagadelic]

Of course OYS is nervous. Being at the bottom of the DAL list would mean he/she would be one of the first ones furloughed, again. Instead of worrying about the AT pilots, update your resume. Good luck troll.

Bravo! Well said.

 

[redflyer65]

I think you're the one that's nervous. You're nervous that a combined AAI SWA will cause further financial damage to your carrier.

Luv,
Ghetto

I've think we've seen after several months that this ^^^^^ is the absolute truth. It's ON in the ATL!

RF

 

[SWA/FO]

Remember "Lowercut" or something like that? OY6 reminds me of him.

 

[-9Capt]

does anyone really want this to go to arbitration?.

hell yes!!

 

[-9Capt]

While a negotiated settlement would be in the cultural best interest of both pilot groups it is unlikely. The only way arbitration is avoided is if both sides believe that accepting the deal on the table is better than risk/reward potential in arbitration. Historically unlikely.

Luv,
Ghetto

True statement

 

[GuppyWN]

hell yes!!

I think you think you want this to go that far.

Gup

 

[SWA/FO]

want this to go to arbitration

ONE vote = counted.

 

[Empennage]

hell yes!!

Yea right. Answer that again in about a year.

 

[-9Capt]

Yea right. Answer that again in about a year.

Veiled threats don't work my friend.

An outside, neutral and objective arbitrator(s) will yield a "fair and equitable" decision. Seems like most SWA guys are worried about that.

 

[Empennage]

Veiled threats don't work my friend.

An outside, neutral and objective arbitrator(s) will yield a "fair and equitable" decision. Seems like most SWA guys are worried about that.

Not A threat my fellow pilot. Seriously that's a flight info staple.

Seriously answer it in a year. It might be good. It might be bad. It's not however a threat. Not in the very least.

I just love how we can all have a constructive convo here.

What a wonderful passive aggressive remark "my friend."

 

[texman]

Veiled threats don't work my friend.

An outside, neutral and objective arbitrator(s) will yield a "fair and equitable" decision. Seems like most SWA guys are worried about that.

Not me brother, and I am at the bottom of the list. Everything is up for debate. I think it will be settled without arbitration. If it goes to arbitration, The award will be fair. I even think the bottom SWA guy's will do just fine.

 

[SWA/FO]

An outside, neutral and objective arbitrator(s)

...that has NO skin in the game. By-the-way its ArbitratorS.... (3 of 'em) but you already knew that?

Lost money is lost money.... ask OY6 or General = you will never get it back.

 

[waveflyer]

This is the question on both sides: what battles are you going to fight?

 

[redflyer65]

How are the Southwest guys worried about arbitration? The ledger of gains are stacked on the Airtran side of this equation.

I have ZERO worries about going to arbitration.

In the end, I think the odds are good for a negotiated list.

RF

 

[AFcitrus]

I think most would prefer a negotiated deal since it would be better for the culture of SWA going forward. Having said that any deal would have to be perceived as fair and equitable to both groups of pilots. Therein lies the issue. I don't think such an agreement is possible. Since neither side claims to be afraid of arbitration then that is the probable outcome. Let's just get thru the process ASAP, get the arbitrated list implemented and get on to the business of that $400 million in synergies. That's what GK wants. Until we are merged operationally those synergies won't be realized.

 

[-9Capt]

...that has NO skin in the game. By-the-way its ArbitratorS.... (3 of 'em) but you already knew that?

Umm yeah, 1 lead and 3 total. That why I included the (s). What is it with you? Does making other people sound like they don't know what they're talking about somehow make you feel better about yourself?

Hopefully this will be wrapped up in 7 months or so and we can move on.

 

[-9Capt]

Seriously answer it in a year. It might be good. It might be bad. It's not however a threat. Not in the very least.

Fair 'nuff, took it the wrong way I guess. Sure sounded like you were trying to intimidate. My bad.