SWA/Airtran Process Agreement??

[GuppyWN]

Wonder how things went today?

Gup

 

[carl p]

Isn't a servants heart the cornerstone of "our" culture? Way too much me first going on around here... Whatever happens is out of our control aside from our 1 vote, focus on making the company succeed and we'll all be fine.

 

[texman]

PapaWoody,
My post was basically alcohol driven but the message remains the same. I just get sick of people saying we are lesser people because we don't work for SWA. You guys have a great deal there and there is no arguing that fact. I guess my point is that we aren't lesser people or pilots. I just didn't express it properly. I have no idea how this is going to work out and hope all will be happy in the end. I am just a passenger on this bus. I wish nothing but the best for all of us. I am sorry if I offended anyone. It wasn't my intention. Good luck to us all and God speed.

Oh ya...Lets gitr done and kick some ass.

Bro, I just read the first sentence and had to respond. I think from the SWA side, 99% of the SWA people do not think a AT guy is a lesser person or pilot. All the AT guy's I have run into have been great. Your Pilot group will bring a lot to the table. There is so much to learn from your operation. You will find SWA pilots in the cockpit are very humble group. We are just putting up are guard. The internet,emails, and blogs are the worst places to explain one person's side. Unless you have a agenda like Gen and OYS, but thats another story.

 

[texman]

I've never said squat about making more money, except a joke about affording a show. If that irked you, you've got issues, pal.

What I HAVE said is that I don't need the extra $50k and my seniority isn't for sale.

I get tired of reading "Ty said" stuff that I've never said. If I'm going to be the scapegoat at least find stuff I've actually said....You may be surprised.

This whole thing is your fault TY. If you didn't work that back door deal with GK we wouldn't be in this situation.LOL

 

[-9Capt]

Wonder how things went today?

Gup

Hush Hush over here.

 

[Empennage]

I guess it is Friday night so the booze is flowing!!!!

Or the crack. Geez. You might as well stay high until it's over

 

[Empennage]

Your own boss said you couldn't grow without us. His words, not mine. Sounds to me like you needed us more than you know.

AirTran, on the other hand has had no problem adding cities in Mexico and the the islands. I'm pretty sure we've been upgrading lately too.

I'd love to stay and debate the obvious with you but I have to pack for my 27hr CUN layover followed by 20 hrs in SJU.

Snort it! Snort it!

 

[-9Capt]

Snort it! Snort it!

I know, it's hard to dispute facts.

 

[texman]

Actually, just the opposite is true.

Your movement up the seniority list should be much faster once the "synergies" are realized. Don't think so? Ask your boss. GK never turns down an opportunity to talk about the growth this merger brings. SWA gets AirTran deliveries, cities and slots which brings growth you wouldn't have seen otherwise.

WSJ article 5/10/11:

Gary Kelly, Southwest’s chief executive, said the AirTran acquisition was a thrifty way to expand.

“It wasn’t do we grow Southwest, or do we buy AirTran? It was, we need AirTran, so we can grow in the future,” Mr. Kelly said.

But GK just stated this after the deal was done. Great sales job to the DOJ if you ask me.

"I’ll just reiterate to them my respect and admiration for what they’ve accomplished over 17 years, the fact that they are such a great airline. It’s one of the reasons we wanted to acquire them. That on a combined basis, they’ll be much stronger and have opportunities to grow their airline, whereas without Southwest, they wouldn’t, quite frankly."

No money brother!

 

[-9Capt]

This whole thing is your fault TY. If you didn't work that back door deal with GK we wouldn't be in this situation.LOL

Yeah, Ty knows all about "back door deals"

 

[Empennage]

I know, it's hard to dispute facts.

Now we can all see how high you are.

 

[GuppyWN]

I'm going fishing tomorrow. What are you guys gonna do?

Gup

 

[-9Capt]

But GK just stated this after the deal was done. Great sales job to the DOJ if you ask me.

That was my point. He said this AFTER the deal was done. No need for a sales
pitch at this stage of the game.

 

[Empennage]

I know, it's hard to dispute facts.

Hey snorter.

Market caps and debt to income ratios. Latest quarterly earnings.

Yes I'll agree both airlines are better together. However, to make the kind of statement you made .. That is factually incorrect, oddly naive and simply arrogant. Not wise.

 

[Ty Webb]

Yeah, Ty knows all about "back door deals"

Careful, you'll get my gay stalker Uppercrud all excited.

 

[-9Capt]

Hey snorter.

Market caps and debt to income ratios. Latest quarterly earnings.

Yes I'll agree both airlines are better together. However, to make the kind of statement you made .. That is factually incorrect, oddly naive and simply arrogant. Not wise.

All that yet according to YOUR boss, SWA still couldn't grow with that pesky little AirTran in the way. All the while we've been growing. Hmm, facts are hard.

 

[-9Capt]

Careful, you'll get my gay stalker Uppercrud all excited.

Nice.

 

[humveedriver]

Who has the tougher job? The SWA MC, or the AT MC? I think clearly the SWA MC has the tougher job. They have a determined group of FO's and junior CA's looking for protection with this SLI and there is a bunch of them. I see a negotiated SLI coming under greater scrutiny from the SWA pilots than the AT pilots. So the irony I predict (and this is for you General), is that if the SLI goes to arbitration, it will be because the SWA pilots voted the negotiated SLI down.

 

[Empennage]

All that yet according to YOUR boss, SWA still couldn't grow with that pesky little AirTran in the way. All the while we've been growing. Hmm, facts are hard.

I can't understand why you think facts are so hard?

Just look at the actual numbers and evidence. I like how you are focused on pr statements used to appease stockholders and the doj. Yet you fail to look at real data. I know it's so difficult. Facts are hard. I can pm you the data of you like.

 

[Empennage]

I'm going fishing tomorrow. What are you guys gonna do?

Gup

You crack me up.

Hey gup - can you get high from just being around all these high flight info posters? Kind of like second hand smoke, but second hand posting?

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

I can't understand why you think facts are so hard?

Just look at the actual numbers and evidence. I like how you are focused on pr statements used to appease stockholders and the doj.

Riiiiigggghhhhttttt.

The latest statement from GK on May 10th was a week AFTER DOCC, two weeks AFTER DOJ approval, and six weeks AFTER AAI shareholder approval. Who is GK trying to appease now?

Me thinks he may be trying to inject some reality into the thought processes of his own troops.

 

[Kharma Police]

Who has the tougher job? The SWA MC, or the AT MC? I think clearly the SWA MC has the tougher job. They have a determined group of FO's and junior CA's looking for protection with this SLI and there is a bunch of them. I see a negotiated SLI coming under greater scrutiny from the SWA pilots than the AT pilots. So the irony I predict (and this is for you General), is that if the SLI goes to arbitration, it will be because the SWA pilots voted the negotiated SLI down.

True statement! I would add that Gary Kelly might make the Southwest Pilots, "an offer they can't refuse" to keep it from arbitration.

 

[Lear70]

I'm going fishing tomorrow. What are you guys gonna do?

Gup

Commuting home right now on you guys, then going to my son's soccer game (should just make it), swimming (been teaching him all winter, he's just about got it), then a BBQ b-day party for a good friend of mine in the evening. It's gonna be a great weekend!

Ty, you taking the boat out? Looks like a beautiful day out your way...

 

[Lear70]

Who has the tougher job? The SWA MC, or the AT MC? I think clearly the SWA MC has the tougher job. They have a determined group of FO's and junior CA's looking for protection with this SLI and there is a bunch of them. I see a negotiated SLI coming under greater scrutiny from the SWA pilots than the AT pilots. So the irony I predict (and this is for you General), is that if the SLI goes to arbitration, it will be because the SWA pilots voted the negotiated SLI down.

Careful... I got yelled at for posting something similar about two weeks ago.

 

[boeingdriver213]

Sun finally came out. Gotta cut the grass.

 

[vixin]

Your own boss said you couldn't grow without us. His words, not mine. Sounds to me like you needed us more than you know.

Do I really need to repost all the things you EX ceo said about AAI...for the fourth time. He didnt paint a rosy picture for AAI thats for sure. What a bunch of morons.

 

[Empennage]

True statement! I would add that Gary Kelly might make the Southwest Pilots, "an offer they can't refuse" to keep it from arbitration.

You might be right, however, it's prob the other way around.

 

[Empennage]

Riiiiigggghhhhttttt.

The latest statement from GK on May 10th was a week AFTER DOCC, two weeks AFTER DOJ approval, and six weeks AFTER AAI shareholder approval. Who is GK trying to appease now?

Me thinks he may be trying to inject some reality into the thought processes of his own troops.

AAI was the one looking for a buyer. Some of you guys have the spin machine in weekend overdrive.

Looks like there has been a pr campaign going on. While I appreciate you posting "facts," no data at all has been posted here.

Truth be told, it's now out of all of our hands. It appears the deck has been stacked on the one side. On the other, they are focused on the transaction and the history of that companies previous transactions.

In the end we will each be making a decision on our futures. For you it's what Gk said which will determine your vote and I respect your virtues. Likewise I respect 9s. You guys believe in what you believe in and so be it.

I think I'm done with this for awhile. It's obvious from many posts on flight info that certain people do not want a negotiated solution. We can all acknowledge there are certain risks to arbitration. Some of these things are seniority, some are culture and others are work enviornment for example. I can see a very divisive attitude and position on the matter. I'll just accept it as a matter of fact.

Happy flying to y'all. Happy fishing. Happy boating.

Time to shut my mouth.

 

[PCL_128]

Actually, it was GK who came to Fornaro looking to make a deal.

 

[On Your Six]

AAI was the one looking for a buyer. Some of you guys have the spin machine in weekend overdrive.

Looks like there has been a pr campaign going on. While I appreciate you posting "facts," no data at all has been posted here.

Truth be told, it's now out of all of our hands. It appears the deck has been stacked on the one side. On the other, they are focused on the transaction and the history of that companies previous transactions.

In the end we will each be making a decision on our futures. For you it's what Gk said which will determine your vote and I respect your virtues. Likewise I respect 9s. You guys believe in what you believe in and so be it.

I think I'm done with this for awhile. It's obvious from many posts on flight
info that certain people do not want a negotiated solution. We can all acknowledge there are certain risks to arbitration. Some of these things are seniority, some are culture and others are work enviornment for example. I can see a very divisive attitude and position on the matter. I'll just accept it as a matter of fact.

Happy flying to y'all. Happy fishing. Happy boating.

Time to shut my mouth.

Don't think you and your airline are the exception. Every recent merger has had arbitration for their SLI. A negotiated settlement just isn't likely, but could happen if the SWA NC reaches down deep and gives every AT Capt a number ensuring him/her a Capt slot on the list. I don't see that from SWAPA. But, maybe arbitration will yield that, and that is why the AT guys will ask for it. It's human nature, and it's business.


OYS