SWA/Airtran Process Agreement??

[redflyer65]

Sixth,

We will have all the gates we need to be a pain in your butt. Bet on it !! We've been #3 in DEN, just moved to #2.

The most ironic thing about this whole arguement is the fact that it has already played out once before...

When Delta decided to sell a hand full of old DC-9's to a new start up called Valujet. Guess what? Valujet and then Airtran has been a pain in Delta's ass ever since. Now that pain continues with SW taking over...all from selling a couple of planes back in the day.

What a brilliant move on the part of Delta back then, did the guy that approved that deal get a promotion? HaHa.

 

[cole]

Sorry, I had to lift some weights quick, ride a bike in the 4 car garage, and then get laid. It didn't take long, but it was long.......


Bye Bye---General Lee

This is the funniest thing I have ever read on this site. Are people suppose to be impressed with your "4 car garage"? Kinda shows exactly how big a kook you are. Are you the guy who has the flip picture book of all his big boy toys?

 

[RJ Bum]

The most ironic thing about this whole arguement is the fact that it has already played out once before...

When Delta decided to sell a hand full of old DC-9's to a new start up called Valujet. Guess what? Valujet and then Airtran has been a pain in Delta's ass ever since. Now that pain continues with SW taking over...all from selling a couple of planes back in the day.

What a brilliant move on the part of Delta back then, did the guy that approved that deal get a promotion? HaHa.

Not to mention, providing the training and gates... classic DAL arrogance..

 

[SWA/FO]

Sorry, I had to lift some weights quick, ride a bike in the 4 car garage, and then get laid by OY6. It didn't take long, but it was long.......

G. Lee is a tool.

 

[General Lee]

I agree with this statement fo sho. I could see being a little annoying is there were 4 gates. 32 gates? We're going to be a pain in the ass.

Gup

Do you really think it will be like nobody else was there, and then out of nowhere a LCC shows up? DL has been dealing with Airtran for years, with all of their 32 or whatever number gates. Southwest will have to start paying those same people twice what they currently make, and then remove the first class section of their seating. You may try to add additional flights per day, but that is limited by what the airport can handle too. DL already handles your competition in SLC, which never did seem to affect DL much. Go ahead, be the pain in the arse that you think you will be, like you are sorta to USAir in PHL, sorta.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

G. Lee is a tool.

Now that and the writing above that was funny. Good one.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

This is the funniest thing I have ever read on this site. Are people suppose to be impressed with your "4 car garage"? Kinda shows exactly how big a kook you are. Are you the guy who has the flip picture book of all his big boy toys?

Hey, I married a gal that is wealthy (well, at least her dad is). And, I actually eat STEAK with a fork and Knife at least 4 nights a week! MY LIFE IS FANTASTIC. I even drive a 2002 Mercedes!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

The most ironic thing about this whole arguement is the fact that it has already played out once before...

When Delta decided to sell a hand full of old DC-9's to a new start up called Valujet. Guess what? Valujet and then Airtran has been a pain in Delta's ass ever since. Now that pain continues with SW taking over...all from selling a couple of planes back in the day.

What a brilliant move on the part of Delta back then, did the guy that approved that deal get a promotion? HaHa.

Partially correct. Delta did sell Valuejet some DC9s way back when, but they went out of business on their own after the meltdown over Miami. Then a 737 operator, named Airtran and partially owned by Mesaba, merged with them and gave them the name. They have been the LCC answer to people in ATL since then. Had Airtran the 737 operator never merged with Valuejet, they would have been out of the way a long time ago, and those same planes would have gone to the desert. You left out that part, RED.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Not to mention, providing the training and gates... classic DAL arrogance..

I beleive the ATL airport gave them the gates. Training? Delta farms out training to a lot of different airlines. Delta now has two huge training facilities, and it is common to see a lot of INTL crews walking around. World Airways does MD11 stuff there, and Aeromexico too. Speaking of farming out training, isn't that how most SWA guys got hired? Saving SWA big bucks from not having to spend money on what normally is a "congrats" for having the qualifications we are looking for? Instead, most pay and continue this terrible practice. SHAME ON YOU SWA, SHAME ON YOU.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[SWA/FO]

Glad you liked it General. Can we now talk about Delta? When do we get to talk about Delta?

 

[General Lee]

Glad you liked it General. Can we now talk about Delta? When do we get to talk about Delta?

You can bring it up anytime. But, I would rather type about an arbitrated SLI between you guys and Airtran. It's just the right way to go, and fair for everyone.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[redflyer65]

Partially correct. Delta did sell Valuejet some DC9s way back when, but they went out of business on their own after the meltdown over Miami. Then a 737 operator, named Airtran and partially owned by Mesaba, merged with them and gave them the name. They have been the LCC answer to people in ATL since then. Had Airtran the 737 operator never merged with Valuejet, they would have been out of the way a long time ago, and those same planes would have gone to the desert. You left out that part, RED.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Airtran is a DIRECT descendant of Valujet. What part did I leave out General, it was in my original post. You forgot to mention Airways Corp too, but you knew that right? I didn't leave out anything dude.

Basically if arrogant Delta wouldn't have sold those orginal DC-9's, we probably wouldn't even be talking about this...

Thanks for starting Valujet. How many BILLIONS of dollars has Delta lost because of it. Great financial move. Classsic.

 

[SWA/FO]

Not going to happen General..... ALPA/SWAPA agreement.
We are not Delta.

 

[Ualexpress]

Basically if arrogant Delta wouldn't have sold those orginal DC-9's, we probably wouldn't even be talking about this...

Thanks for starting Valujet. How many BILLIONS of dollars has Delta lost because of it. Great financial move. Classsic.

Yeah because Valujet would not have been able to find DC-9s anywhere else back in 1993.

 

[redflyer65]

No, they just taxied them over to the other side of the ramp.

Airline 101. Never sell aircraft to a direct competitor in your backyard. But hey, Delta arrogance has no bounds. They didn't think this little tiny upstart airline would amount to anything. Guess again.

 

[General Lee]

Airtran is a DIRECT descendant of Valujet. What part did I leave out General, it was in my original post. You forgot to mention Airways Corp too, but you knew that right? I didn't leave out anything dude.

Basically if arrogant Delta wouldn't have sold those orginal DC-9's, we probably wouldn't even be talking about this...

Thanks for starting Valujet. How many BILLIONS of dollars has Delta lost because of it. Great financial move. Classsic.

The original Airtran was what? A direct descendant? Huh? They were a small operator out of MCO, and partially owned by Mesaba. When Valujet crashed, their fleet was parked for a good while. At that point Valujet management went looking for anyone with a different name to put over Valujet, and they found Airtran. Had they not done that, those ex DL DC9s would have gone to the desert sooner, and Valujet would have been gone for good. And how many BILLIONS has Delta lost because of it? Hmmmm. Are you up for an Academy Award? You are over doing it again. BTW, if you don't need those 717s, and no other INTL carrier that GK supposedly would give them to actually wants 85 of them, I bet I know where they could go......otherwise, you are stuck with them, the leases, and the SLI.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Not going to happen General..... ALPA/SWAPA agreement.
We are not Delta.

So, you are telling me that arbitration is not a step in your Process Agreement? Really? Didn't ALPA, SWAPA, and GK sign that? Come on now, I think you may be fibbing.......... quit it....... I think you may be incorrect on that. Ask Lear70.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[radarlove]

Honest question, not flamebait: I used to have General Lee on "ignore", and this was a much more pleasant place for me. Now all his anti-SWA posts show up again. I don't mind a few here and there, but it's kinda creepy how he can have four in a row...anyway, I can't find the ignore function. When I click on his name, the option isn't there. On the bottom of the screen, I can only "report post".

Any help? My creeped-out factor just pegged out, and I would like to go back to ignore. Is that still a function?

 

[Lear70]

Up towards the top of the screen, click "USER CP"

Go to "Edit Ignore List" on the left of that screen and add his name in. Make sure it's either copy and pasted from what you see on this screen or that it's EXACTLY the way it appears on the screen. Click "SUBMIT".

If you're still getting them, you input the name wrong, spaces, underscores, everything is has to match. Using copy and paste works well.

/mod

 

[GoodTimes]

Radar,

I'm with ya. It' getting harder and harder to find any reasonable information without having to sift through a Delta infomercial. Thanks for the info L70.