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It then goes on further to say in 2.d.ii that SWAPA acts as consultants ONLY for 2.d.i.a. In other words, ALPA negotiates (not SWAPA) for our pay rates until we fall under the SWAPA CBA rules (b, c, and d above).
(d) In the event that an integrated seniority list is reached through negotiations, theCBA to Southwest and AirTran pilots.
following shall apply:
(i) SWAPA and ALPA will each designate members of their respective
Negotiating Committees to comprise an Implementation Work Group,
whose sole responsibilities will be to negotiate an implementation
schedule with the Companies to include:
a. Adjustment of the AirTran-ALPA CBA to reflect the
compensation and benefits of the SWAPA CBA;
b. Application of the SWAPA CBA to AirTran pilots;
c. B717 rates of pay and work rules to be applied under the SWAPA
CBA to Southwest and AirTran pilots; and
d. International pay and work rules to be applied under the SWAPA
(e) In the event either ALPA or SWAPA fails to ratify the negotiated integrated seniority
list, the list and the implementation schedule and letters of agreement delineated in
Section II (d) shall be null and void and without any force and effect and shall not be
admissible for any purpose in any proceeding including but not limited to any arbitration
under this Agreement.
No, I'm saying that until a SLI is reached (one way or another) and implemented (one way or another), we remain on our CBA. 4 1/2 years is unlikely in the EXTREME, even with an arbitrated scenario, and I'm certain we'll be able to figure out something long before then, but I can live with the pay rates and work rules in our T.A. - they jump quite healthily in 2013 and 2014 and actually start approaching within a couple dollars of your rates by then.Lear,
Are you saying that no matter how long it takes to get on the SWA cba, Alpa is going to negotiate with SWA on new rates for your side? Isn't your contract up for renewal in 4 1/2 years?
No, I just chose not to address them because just as the alternative is unappealing to us, it's unappealing to you, too, but for reasons no one seems to really have considered yet and I REALLY hope never becomes necessary.I think that you are still missing the GIANT "IF" statements that are written into this document:
Not exactly.Sure... IF our NC and your MC come to an agreement, AND that agreement is ratified by BOTH pilot groups, then ALPA will get a chance to talk with WN about implementation.
IF any one of those items fail to happen, THEN this entire section
(Section II: Negotiation of the Integrated List) is "Null and Void" and none of it gets to take place.
Amen.I sure look forward to the day we try kick the competitions ass instead of each others!
Oh, I gotcha. Thanks for the clarification. :beer:That is not what I meant. Ty said that he is happy at AI and did not ask for this acquisition. My question is was he happy at AI prior to the announcement which had AI headed toward a strike. Or is he saying he is happy now after the announcement with SWA and the pay raise you received possibly because of the announcement.
OY6 says: then he said: pass the bong, dude this is some great stuff! (cough cough)
Problem is they don't get the SWAPA contract until after the list, if SWA uses "said list" you dip ****. We would be making LESS money if we piggybacked off of bankrupt Delta and bankrupt United (funny you worked for both) contract. Just a thought.
Not exactly.
Yes, Sec 2 becomes null and void, HOWEVER, there is a mechanism in place to cover that event after arbitration when one side doesn't want to implement the SLI award.