SWA/Airtran Process Agreement??

[On Your Six]

There you go. You got it off your chest. Feel better?

Yes. Thank you. Happy Easter!


OYS

 

[SWA/CA]

Yes. Seeing all of you get a fair SLI would make me very happy, and anyone who cares about fairness. Sounds like you, Red, Bob Dylin, and Tex would be crushed. Happy Easter!

Me seeing you off reserve, thus taking away your time to post on FI.com would make me happy.

Back a few years ago....
I remember feeling better once the Delta/NWA figured out their SLI. I mean, I had high blood pressure and trouble sleeping for months. I just was so fearful of the NWA (the only cool part of Delta) guys getting a bad SLI. Then part of me worried for the General, I didn't want him to get hurt in anyway.

I brought this concern up to everyone I flew with in the months that ALPA Delta and ALPA NWA worked out their deal. Most of my co-workers were concerned too. Yeah, sure some said "who gives a f@#k about them"... but overall, we at SWA cared a lot. We thought it was "Our business", much like you do now. Gary even tried to show your managment how to run an Airline, but they didn't even want his help.


I'd say, keep it up... keep worrying about our house, not yours. We need all the help we can get at Southwest.

 

[GoodTimes]

Happy Easter! I mean it. I hope you and your family have a great day. I'm just messing with you 'cause it's easy. I've never said one word about how I think this thing should play out and frankly, I'm not too concerned. Arbitration? Negotiation? It is what it is. Like you, I went through the UAL BK and furlough. It certainly put things into perspective and I try not to forget the lessons learned from that experience. No matter what happens, life will go on the day after we see the award.

Maybe it's just me, but I detect a little animosity towards Southwest? I think you'd find the cockpit at SWA eerily similar to what you experienced at UAL and what you are now experiencing at DAL. Good people trying to make a living doing what they love.

 

[LeeRoyJenkins]

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I never said arbitration would be UNFAIR to SWA pilots. It might give you an SLI that is better than you might be able to negotiate (although probably not). Still, it would be more fair to everyone, and even you can't deny that. Happy Easter!



OYS

I love all the talk of fairness from people biased towards AAI pilots when it is obvious to almost everyone that The Trannies are receiving a huge windfall. That cannot be denied.

 

[clr4theapch]

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[-9Capt]

That's your arguement? Your trying talking about company items vs contract issues. Apples and oranges.

What does the AAI contract bring the Southwest group?

What does the Southwest contract bring the AAI pilot group? The differences are staggering, and very definable. Gonna be an interesting arguement to say the least.

I'm going to say this again because you clearly missed it. Try reading it slower this time.

The SWA contract has an ammendable date, it is NO GUARANTEE of future earnings for AirTran pilots or SWA pilots much beyond that date. However, you believe I should take a seniority hit so that you can get a seniority bump. Yeah, OK.

Are you so smug to think that your stellar contract will always be what it is today? Maybe, maybe not. History says it won't. Look around man. Your contract was nothing special back in 2000/2001 when SWA was losing pilots to UAL/DAL/UsAir/etc all of which had far superior contracts. Take the blinders off. Guarantee me better pay/benefits for the remainder of my career and we can talk about me taking a hit in seniority. Until then, I'd feel better taking my chances with an arbitrator who understands the cyclical nature of the airline business.

Again, your current CBA guarantees AirTran pilots nothing past it's ammendable date. The arbitrators will know this.

Good Luck. Happy Easter.

 

[Beechdriver32]

I'm sorry OY6 for stating you were acting like an A-hole. I was not calling you one, I was simply stating my opinion that you were acting like an A-hole.

Actually, I am wrong.

I'm pretty sure that you are an A-hole.

I'll take my week off now.

Happy Easter. And look forward to flying with my new AT buddies-

Cheers-

BD32

 

[LeeRoyJenkins]

The arbitrators will know this.

More expert analysis of what the arbitrators will know or do.

The arbitrators will know lots of things, you can be sure of that.

 

[Beechdriver32]

And -9capt (before I get kicked off)

Do you not find your post and your signature line a bit ironic?

You'll like it over here, really. No matter where we all end up, it'll still be better than where we were.

Let our joint teams do their jobs. It'll all work out.

Hopefully we can do it without needing to call on OY6 for his divine guidance!

Cheers-

 

[ASADFW7]

When a contract expires it runs status quo while in section 6 negotiations. It can be amended several ways. Bankruptcy, arbitration, or negotiations, nothing is for sure but there is a process. SWA is not headed in that direction, where was Airtran headed?

The maturity of work agreements of the southwest employee groups shows a partnership with the company. Airtran employees hopefully will enjoy this participation too. Both the good and bad of working together. Whatever snapshot of logic is used will show the context of the industry and what both groups can provide with factual data. Thanks

 

[-9Capt]

And -9capt (before I get kicked off)

Do you not find your post and your signature line a bit ironic?



Let our joint teams do their jobs. It'll all work out.

Cheers-

Ironic? Not really. It's no secret that our management isn't employee friendly. I don't see how that should have any bearing on the SLI outcome?

 

[Uppercrust]

You know what is really ironic: A Valuejet pilot will be paid more than the Delta boys over in Atl when this whole deal is done. Who would have thought!

 

[-9Capt]

When a contract expires it runs status quo while in section 6 negotiations. It can be amended several ways. Bankruptcy, arbitration, or negotiations, nothing is for sure but there is a process. SWA is not headed in that direction, where was Airtran headed?

Where was AT headed? We're still adding new routes and cities while upgrading pilots and getting airplanes so I'd say we were headed in a pretty good direction.

I know how the RLA works and I'm pretty sure you get my point. There are no long term guarantees.

 

[Skyboy722]

Where was AT headed? We're still adding new routes and cities while upgrading pilots and getting airplanes so I'd say we were headed in a pretty good direction.

I know how the RLA works and I'm pretty sure you get my point. There are no long term guarantees.

So the point you're trying to argue is that a career at Airtran is more lucrative and more promising than a career at Southwest?

Got it.

 

[-9Capt]

So the point you're trying to argue is that a career at Airtran is more lucrative and more promising than a career at Southwest?

Got it.

No. Where'd you get that from?

All I said was that the SWA CBA is no guarantee of long term pay/benefits for AirTran or SWA pilots. I am not willing to trade seniority for something that will absolutely change in the future.

Read my post again, slowly if it helps you understand it better.

 

[Empennage]

Someone here is confusing the RLA with the NLRA.

 

[Bob Dylan]

I predict there will never be a pilot integration. There's just too many attitudes like Ty and -9 at AT. They want the pay and benefits bump and seniority. Everybody loses something except them. They want it all and offer nothing. Wow.

 

[-9Capt]

I predict there will never be a pilot integration. There's just too many attitudes like Ty and -9 at AT. They want the pay and benefits bump and seniority. Everybody loses something except them. They want it all and offer nothing. Wow.

You want me to take a seniority hit in exchange for SWA pay/benefits that are in no way guaranteed and I'm the one with the "attitude"?

I'll tell you what, get GK to agree to pay me current SWA + COLA for the next 25 years and we can talk about me giving up a few numbers. Until then...

 

[Cometman]

You want me to take a seniority hit in exchange for SWA pay/benefits that are in no way guaranteed and I'm the one with the "attitude"?

I'll tell you what, get GK to agree to pay me current SWA + COLA for the next 25 years and we can talk about me giving up a few numbers. Until then...

You sound like a broken record. Give it up, everybody else did.

 

[zippy32]

You want me to take a seniority hit in exchange for SWA pay/benefits that are in no way guaranteed and I'm the one with the "attitude"?

I'll tell you what, get GK to agree to pay me current SWA + COLA for the next 25 years and we can talk about me giving up a few numbers. Until then...

How about staying at your current CBA payrates and benefits + or - any future percentage increases/decreases that SWAPA gets. For this you stay at your same relative seniority. Would that be acceptable?