SWA/Airtran Process Agreement??

[General Lee]

Ty,

I'm trying to understand this whole thing. Do the arbitrators tell GK when to implement the list?

Did the arbitrator (Nicalau) tell Parker when to implement the USAir list? Nope. But, it is under BINDING ARBITRATION, and even though the East guys over there don't want to abide by it, eventually they will have to. Even USAir and Parker know that, which is why they don't have a new contract yet. That just divides the group, and doesn't allow as many cost saving synergies, and makes the airline look bad to other potential investors. I don't think GK wants to go down that route, even with his FANTASTIC relationship with his SWAPA friends. Nah.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[GoodTimes]

Is your name Ty?

 

[General Lee]

Is your name Ty?

No, but your's is IDIOT. Are you trying to trick Ty or something? Do you want the truth? No, you're not looking for the truth, which is apparent to everyone on here. But don't worry, I will continue to supply it for you at every chance. Watch out Airtran guys, this is the type of guy that will be your FO someday.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[madjack]

General and OYS,

Sewing hate and discontent between AAI/SWA is 1) Not your issue 2) won't help DAL in ATL...good luck

 

[ivauir]

Yes, he did say it very clearly. The PROCESS will have to be negotiated. He never said ANYTHING about the implementation DATE because THE PROCESS AGREEMENT SPECIFICALLY STATES THE ARBITRATORS WILL TELL US AN IMPLEMENTATION DATE if it goes to arbitration.

You are (conveniently) ignoring the conditions on that date. Conditions that put Gary Kelly in the driver's seat.

I don't know how to say it any more clearly than that for you. It's in black and white in the Process Agreement and EVERYONE signed it. People need to READ the ENTIRE Process Agreement FOR THEMSELVES, not just the bulletpoints that their respective unions are putting out.

That is great advice. Go back and read it. The WHOLE thing, not just the parts you like. There is a reason the company insisted on ambiguity to the implementation of an award.

No, but your's is IDIOT. Are you trying to trick Ty or something? Do you want the truth? No, you're not looking for the truth, which is apparent to everyone on here. But don't worry, I will continue to supply it for you at every chance.

GL,

The "truth"? Seriously?

You are unfamiliar with either union's CBA, the transition agreement, the process agreement, or even Gary Kelly's public comments.The only thing you "continue to supply" is your ignorance. Apparently you have quite a stockpile.

You have exploited every opportunity to slam Southwest pilots for at least 10 years. Whatever your issue with us is, calling us names on this message board is not a reasonable substitute for therapy.

 

[FlyinGuy]

Do you want the truth? No, you're not looking for the truth, which is apparent to everyone on here. But don't worry, I will continue to supply it for you at every chance.
Bye Bye---General Lee

Do you read your posts before you hit the submit button? You call someone else an idiot and then you say this? Pretty funny stuff......

 

[redflyer65]

= the truth.

Well said IVAUIR.

 

[GoodTimes]

Whoa! Slow down there General. No need to start calling people names, bro. An idiot? You don't even know me. The Double Breasted Fairness Police are an angry couple, eh?

 

[On Your Six]

Honestly, OY6 did you ever interview here at Southwest? If yes, were you offered a job? Have you ever interviewed at AirTran? If yes, did they offer you a job? Did you qualify to apply to Southwest? Do you have the minimums to apply to SWA now, if you wanted to?

Thanks

Never wanted to go to Southwest actually. When I got on with United, I thought I had won the lottery, and at the time there were SWA Captains leaving for United. Then things hit the fan, and I was furloughed. I waited for United initially, but then went for an international corporate gig that was fun at first, but living on the beeper 24/7 got old. Luckily I got my current job, which gives me the option to do longhaul international flying again if I want it. I do like your payrates at SWA along with your contract. I hope our guys push for something similar in contract talks starting next year, that would really make this place attractive to almost anyone. As far as having mins to go to SWA now, I have the hours and experience probably, but I don't want to pay for my training to get a type. I don't believe you should have to do that these days. I consider that a slap in the face, actually. Both you and your future employer should want you to work there, and your hard work as an employee should be rewarded by the company paying for your training. If Delta gets your rates or better, and still doesn't make you pay for training, what would you say then for a reason to do that? Thanks for all of the questions.



OYS

 

[On Your Six]

Whoa! Slow down there General. No need to start calling people names, bro. An idiot? You don't even know me. The Double Breasted Fairness Police are an angry couple, eh?

You're calling names too, that make you look like an idiot. I agree with him. As far as being angry, I won't be as angry as you after reviewing the arbitrated SLI, Mr. Well paid Fonzi Texan. (not bad, right? Lee?)


OYS

 

[On Your Six]

Do you read your posts before you hit the submit button? You call someone else an idiot and then you say this? Pretty funny stuff......

Can you dispute anything he says? You just can't. Keep laughing....


OYS

 

[On Your Six]

You are (conveniently) ignoring the conditions on that date. Conditions that put Gary Kelly in the driver's seat.



That is great advice. Go back and read it. The WHOLE thing, not just the parts you like. There is a reason the company insisted on ambiguity to the implementation of an award.




GL,

The "truth"? Seriously?

You are unfamiliar with either union's CBA, the transition agreement, the process agreement, or even Gary Kelly's public comments.The only thing you "continue to supply" is your ignorance. Apparently you have quite a stockpile.

You have exploited every opportunity to slam Southwest pilots for at least 10
years. Whatever your issue with us is, calling us names on this message board is not a reasonable substitute for therapy.

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Lear70 continues to "school" you on your own Process Agreement. You didn't even know that GK agreed with his own signature, and that allowed for arbitration if an agreement wasn't reached. GK agreed to that, true or false? Lee and I think the Airtran guys should go for arbitration to ensure fairness, and you guys don't like that for some reason. Tell me what is incorrect about anything I just wrote. This really isn't tough to understand. You are hoping they agree to a subpar agreement. Admit that or refute it.



OYS

 

[SWA/FO]

The Dixie Boyz Seniority List Consultants, LLC

 

[SWA/FO]

but then went for an international corporate gig that was fun at first

What kind of airplane?

 

[GoodTimes]

You're calling names too, that make you look like an idiot. I agree with him. As far as being angry, I won't be as angry as you after reviewing the arbitrated SLI, Mr. Well paid Fonzi Texan. (not bad, right? Lee?)


OYS

OYS,


I'm ok with "Mr. Well Paid", and I'm even ok with "Fonzi", but I've got to draw the line at "Texan"! If I'm angry after the SLI comes out I'll buy you and the General 12 new buttons for your suits. Deal?

 

[General Lee]

General and OYS,

Sewing hate and discontent between AAI/SWA is 1) Not your issue 2) won't help DAL in ATL...good luck

It will sew fairness into the SLI, which is something the Southwest guys think they have "all sewn up." I am a master of words. And about ATL, I guess you have never been here before.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

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Lear70 continues to "school" you on your own Process Agreement. You didn't even know that GK agreed with his own signature, and that allowed for arbitration if an agreement wasn't reached. GK agreed to that, true or false? Lee and I think the Airtran guys should go for arbitration to ensure fairness, and you guys don't like that for some reason. Tell me what is incorrect about anything I just wrote. This really isn't tough to understand. You are hoping they agree to a subpar agreement. Admit that or refute it.



OYS

OYS,

They just can't admit it. They don't believe in fairness because they believe they are entitled to the majority of the "pie." What they are afraid of is someone on the outside determining how much of the pie they actually deserve.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

OYS,


I'm ok with "Mr. Well Paid", and I'm even ok with "Fonzi", but I've got to draw the line at "Texan"! If I'm angry after the SLI comes out I'll buy you and the General 12 new buttons for your suits. Deal?

I can't speak for OYS, but I'll take that deal. But, I need to return the favor by buying you some hair gel for your Fonzi like hair, some sweat socks for you daily runs through the terminal to grab food before your third turn to ONT, and $5 for your cowboy boots to be polished at the airport. Sounds like a FAIR trade, eh? I am all about FAIRNESS ya know......


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[On Your Six]

I can't speak for OYS, but I'll take that deal. But, I need to return the favor by buying you some hair gel for your Fonzi like hair, some sweat socks for you daily runs through the terminal to grab food before your third turn to ONT, and $5 for your cowboy boots to be polished at the airport. Sounds like a FAIR trade, eh? I am all about FAIRNESS ya know......


Bye Bye---General Lee

I like that! I'll chip in for that too.


OYS

 

[Lear70]

You are (conveniently) ignoring the conditions on that date. Conditions that put Gary Kelly in the driver's seat.

No, I'm not. I just read them differently than you.

That is great advice. Go back and read it. The WHOLE thing, not just the parts you like. There is a reason the company insisted on ambiguity to the implementation of an award.

Again, we're reading the same verbiage differently, and no amount of debate is going to change that. I think a previous poster had it right: You say "Wabbit Season", I say "Duck Season!" "Wabbit Season!" "Duck Season!" Neither of us is going to change our mind.

So better off to just leave it as it is, wish you safe flying and smooth landings, and see you around the water cooler some day.

Cheers, mate.

 

[Nindiri]

Ivauir: "That, sir, is an unmitigated faberication! It's wabbit season!"

Lear70: "Duck season!"

Ivauir: "Wabbit season!"

Lear70: "Duck season!"

Ivauir: "Wabbit season!"

Lear70: "Duck season!!"

Ivauir: "Wabbit season!!"

Lear70: (reversing the flow) "Wabbit season!"

Ivauir: "Duck season!!!"

Lear70: "Wabbit season!!!"

Ivauir: "I say it's duck season, and I say, fire!"

(Arbitrator shoots Ivauir)

Ivauir: (adjusting bill) "You're desthpicable!"

 

[ivauir]

Nindiri, that was funny.

Lear, you aren't "reading it differently", you are ignoring the conditions you find unpalatable.

Any doubt in you mind should be cleared up by Gary's comments:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W56PqTbFzz8&NR=1

The simple point is that Southwest favors a negotiated deal for the certainty and speed it provides. The process agreement is structured so that everyone has something at risk in arbitration.

What could be more fair?

 

[humveedriver]

Nindiri, that was funny.

Lear, you aren't "reading it differently", you are ignoring the conditions you find unpalatable.

Any doubt in you mind should be cleared up by Gary's comments:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W56PqTbFzz8&NR=1

The simple point is that Southwest favors a negotiated deal for the certainty and speed it provides. The process agreement is structured so that everyone has something at risk in arbitration.

What could be more fair?

Isn't the result of arbitration a binding SLI? So.. what is the risk to AT pilots? We are operated seperatley by Bob Jordan forever? Bob may like having his own show to run. I'll bet you a beverage of your choice at Mr C's that your Bob would do better than our Bob with the job. What I'm reading to back Lear up is the the arbitors set an implementation date. It just can't be earlier than SOC. So then GK has to decide. Combine the airlines like he told congress, the public, and shareholders he would. Or keep us seperate. I believe it's smart for both sides to know how things could unfold after 30 SEP if we don't get his done ourselves. I also believe we will be a stronger pilot group if we can figure this out ourselves.

 

[ASADFW7]

Maybe we should keep the energy into the negotiations first and sit back to see where the openers come in. SWA as a group would be better served negotiating this deal. The what If will sort itself out if that line is crossed. As for arm chair experts, your pushing spaghetti back in the box. The third party experts are only agitating the process. Right now it comes to the in house work between the two sided plus their council. Sorry to the experts who didn't get selected to participate.

 

[redflyer65]

The odds are most of it will be negotiated, I'd say at least 90% if not the whole thing.

 

[FlyinGuy]

Can you dispute anything he says? You just can't. Keep laughing....
OYS

It is pretty simple to dispute at least 50% of what GL says!!

 

[SWA/FO]

They just can't admit it. They don't believe in fairness because they believe they are entitled to the majority of the "pie." What they are afraid of is someone on the outside determining how much of the pie they actually deserve.

Why don't you just call or text your mini-me (boyfriend) or what ever you two call eachother. We don't need this garbage. The tranny dudes are smart, they got this far on their own... They certainly don't need any help from Delta guys.

 

[GoodTimes]

GL,

You got yourself a deal. And let's keep going with the 'Happy Days' theme. The SWA guys will take Fonzi. You seem like a good Potsie. And your sidekick OYS makes a perfect Ralph Malph. What a cast!

 

[Lear70]

Nindiri, that was funny.

I thought so, too.

Lear, you aren't "reading it differently", you are ignoring the conditions you find unpalatable.

No, I'm not. I've read the Process Agreement from beginning to end, several times, feel comfortable with the way the ENTIRE Process Agreement is worded, and simply want to leave it at that. Not "confident". Not "sure of our position". Simply comfortable that there's enough at stake for BOTH sides (which I've also said multiple times) that our MC and your NC will find a fair middle ground.

Why do you have to continue to argue with me? Again, you're not going to convince me. I'm not going to convince you. So let it go, ay?

The simple point is that Southwest favors a negotiated deal for the certainty and speed it provides.

So do I and so do the pilots at AirTran. We've said so repeatedly. So why are you still arguing like that's not what all of us have said. Multiple times.

The process agreement is structured so that everyone has something at risk in arbitration.

What could be more fair?

Agreed. I never said anything different. In fact, about 15 pages back, I specifically said the Process Agreement didn't give ANYONE an advantage, it was simply written to make this happen and make it happen quickly.

So, for the 3rd time, since it seems we agree (and have agreed for weeks now) on just about everything else except one segment of the Process Agreement, which I'm attempting to "agree to disagree as gentlemen and move on", why are we still arguing this?

 

[Kharma Police]

Man, everyone here has been drinking too much Haterade...........