SWA - AAI question

[redflyer65]

And yet the DAL/NWA merger (ALPA), with a significantly more complex integration, from labors perspective, was essentially wrapped up less than 1 year after the date the merger was announced.

Good try at trying to throw up the DL/NW merger. They were more equals than anything like what we are looking at here, and you know it. I could have merged them over the dining room table in one evening. Their pay and QOL issues were so close together, it wasn't difficult...

ALPA's problem (preceived by Herndon), is they are locked out of the transition agreement and are jumping up and down to get a seat at the table. Ain't gonna happen..

 

[ivauir]

After reading this and your previous statement, I find it odd that you believe that the AAI pilots don't have a legally enforceable contract that requires that they be included.

Are you saying that you have language in your contract requiring you to be part of SWAPA's transition agreement with SWA?

If so I don't think that is legally enforceable.

Your ignorance is amazing. I'm surprised that SWAPA hasn't performed the most rudimentary communication needed to keep SWA pilots informed on the integration process.

Why do you need to be so offensive and insulting? Do you really have language in your contract requiring you to be part of a side letter between SWAPA and SWA? Do you really believe that such language is enforceable?

 

[texman]

Good try at trying to throw up the DL/NW merger. They were more equals than anything like what we are looking at here, and you know it. I could have merged them over the dining room table in one evening. Their pay and QOL issues were so close together, it wasn't difficult...

ALPA's problem (preceived by Herndon), is they are locked out of the transition agreement and are jumping up and down to get a seat at the table. Ain't gonna happen..

This what I have been saying all along. It is all about the transition/transaction.

 

[FDJ2]

Good try at trying to throw up the DL/NW merger. They were more equals than anything like what we are looking at here, and you know it. I could have merged them over the dining room table in one evening. Their pay and QOL issues were so close together, it wasn't difficult...

ALPA's problem (preceived by Herndon), is they are locked out of the transition agreement and are jumping up and down to get a seat at the table. Ain't gonna happen..

I have to laugh.:laugh:

If you think the AAI pilots are seniority fodder for you, you are going to be very disappointed in the final result.

This is one of the easiest integrations in recent years. 2 LCCs with similar gauge aircraft flying similar routes. No major issues here.

Relative seniority or category/status with minor modifications for longevity.

Sorry, you wont get a seniority windfall for SWA at the expense of the AAI pilots.

The AAI contract will be enforced. You'll either negotiate a seniority list with AAI, or you'll be handed one by an arbitrator. It wont take as long as you think.

 

[S3sundowner]

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[FDJ2]

Why do you need to be so offensive and insulting? Do you really have language in your contract requiring you to be part of a side letter between SWAPA and SWA? Do you really believe that such language is enforceable?

I'm not an AAI pilot, just a nuetral observer and yes the AAI contract language is binding and enforceable on SWA.

D. Successorship
1. This Agreement shall be binding on any Successor or Assign of the Company, unless or until changed in accordance with the provisions of the Railway Labor Act, as
amended. For the purposes of the Agreement, a Successor or Assign shall be defined as an entity that acquires all or substantially all of the assets or equity of the Company.

2. The Company shall require that the Successor or Assign shall, as a condition of and prior to the closing of a transaction as described in Paragraph 0.1., above, commit in writing to adhere to the provisions of this Agreement until changed pursuant to the Railway Labor Act.

 

[ivauir]

FD12,

Nothing in the language you posted includes you in the process of a sideletter between SWA and SWAPA. It is weird over the top and very aggressive to even attempt it.

 

[FDJ2]

SWA are the acquiring company. For that reason, and with the USAir/Cactus debacle being alive and not so well, I find it very hard to believe that SWA jumped into this two feet first without looking at every possible scenario; that would be a first. I'll bet the aai pilots are a nervous bunch right now, and for good reason. SWA are coming in to buy your company, and your negotiators are playing hardball. This is fairy tale stuff for you guys and you're going to start laying down the law? I know what I'd like swa to do.....

SWA and SWAPA clearly demonstarated to the entire industry their lack of understanding of acquisitions/mergers during the Frontier debacle.

Maybe they've learned their lesson. I don't know, we'll see, but the idea that the AAI pilots have no rights, because SWA is larger, the acquirer or any other self serving reason that has zero basis in fact or law is laughable. Absent a negotiated agreement, both the AAI pilot and SWA pilot merger committees will present their arguments as equals to an arbitrator. Sorry, but SWAPA won't be in the drivers seat at that point.

 

[ivauir]

This is one of the easiest integrations in recent years. 2 LCCs with similar gauge aircraft flying similar routes. No major issues here.

Relative seniority or category/status with minor modifications for longevity.

GMAFB,

You can't pose as an "interested neutral" and then post such one sided drivel. You completely ignore that vast differences in career expectaions between the two pilot groups.

Grow up and stop trying to shape expectations. Let the teams work it out and enjoy your windfall.

 

[ivauir]

SWA and SWAPA clearly demonstarated to the entire industry their lack of understanding of acquisitions/mergers during the Frontier debacle.

No.

FAPA demonstrated that they do not understand BATNA. Hopefully your group is wiser.

 

[FDJ2]

FD12,

Nothing in the language you posted includes you in the process of a sideletter between SWA and SWAPA. It is weird over the top and very aggressive to even attempt it.

Just for the record, I'm not an AAI pilot. The point I was making is that whatever protections are in the AAI contract will be honored. It's also important to note that Bond/McCaskill will also be honored and absent a negotiated list, their will be an arbitrated award which will be binding.

JMHO, but SWA is not attempting to acquire AAI in order to operate them as a separate entity, also, it wouldn't be good for the SWA pilots if they were.

 

[FDJ2]

GMAFB,

You can't pose as an "interested neutral" and then post such one sided drivel. You completely ignore that vast differences in career expectaions between the two pilot groups.

Grow up and stop trying to shape expectations. Let the teams work it out and enjoy your windfall.

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

You are so blinded by your partisanship that you've lost your objectivity.

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

[FDJ2]

No.

FAPA demonstrated that they do not understand BATNA. Hopefully your group is wiser.

You're scared, I understand. You really shouldn't be. In the end your merger committee will be allowed to make their arguments, as will the AAI merger committee and ultimately, absent a mutually agreed upon SLI, an arbitrator will issue a fair award. It shouldn't take too long. This is fairly straight forward stuff.

 

[ivauir]

Whatever.

"Fair and equitable" is a two way street. That is hardly a partisan view. SWA pilots will be fine. We won't get anything like the windfall that the AAI pilots will get, but no ever said that life is fair.

 

[S3sundowner]

fd, you're right. swa pilots need not be scared. They bring too much to this acquisition and swa would be fools NOT to go to arbitration.