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General Lee said:
Thanks Bob for your FANTASTIC insight. Anyways........I actually learned a lot during my own SLI experience, and I have advice to give.(actually on SLIs, relationships, bidding, and other topics. Go see my website) No, TY and I are not disco dancing partners, but we do share one thing, we don't like cocky SWA pilots. So, let the arbitration take it's course, and we'll see how it works out. There is NOTHING anyone can do to convince the other "side" that you are correct. The neutral will decide because that is what they are paid well to do.


Bye Bye---General Lee
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You're quite welcome. Have fun with your new best pals, the Trannies. I guess after the merger goes thru you can go back to trashing them again. Gotta love a man with principles. You rock!

At least for now you and your new best friend Ty can meet up on ATL layovers for some male bonding and maybe even some good old fashioned furniture moving!

See ya pal!
 
StopNTSing said:
You know Dan, when it's Hawaiian's turn in the M&A barrel, I don't plan on wading in to the threads with plenty of pompous prognostications about a situation I don't understand or have any skin in. How about extending us the same courtesy (in spite of our lousy attitudes?)
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I'm a little preplexed why you think a forum that is open to all airlines should be treated as your personal discussion board? As you said, it could happen here at Hawaiian so what happens in the whole industry does in fact have a bearing on us. That is why I am following this. I want to know as much about pilots attitudes in a merger as I can should it happen to us. As far as extending you any courtesies, think of this as someone looking at it without a bias in either direction. I have equal respect for SWA and AT. The key word there is equal.
BTW, I do have some experience in this arena. Greg Brenneman tried to merge AQ into HAL in 2002. Much of what I see here is similar to the rhetoric back than, in fact I'm learning about pilot human nature in a merger here, it's intersting. We has a few that said "Staple Them!", they had a few that were also unrealistic. I can say I truly felt that I wanted the merger to be as fair for BOTH sides as possible.
But you are right, I am no were near as invested in this, nor do I have as much insight into it as you would, I'm a spectator here, but if you don't want spectators, don't play in a public arena.
Good luck to all you guys, the reality is we are all still pretty fortunate to be doing what we are doing.
 
in other words, if we do find us in a M&A situation, please do wade in, I would appreciate your viewpoint having gone through it.
You too General!
 
Bob Dylan said:
At least for now you and your new best friend Ty can meet up on ATL layovers for some male bonding and maybe even some good old fashioned furniture moving!

See ya pal!
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Loosely translated:

"I have no valid point to make, so I will call them gay". :rolleyes:
 
you are so easy. you must be the hit at the party. so so so easy to get your goat. you have no idea when you are being taken. now when I say "to the bottom" your BP will go up 100 pts. like taken candy from a baby
 
orangebellyav8r said:
you are so easy. you must be the hit at the party. so so so easy to get your goat. you have no idea when you are being taken. now when I say "to the bottom" your BP will go up 100 pts. like taken candy from a baby
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More evidence of the "superior selection process" and "superior culture" that we should eagerly trade our seniority for. :rolleyes:
 
Dash Power said:
Well put.

I can't understand the need for others to get so involved with issues that do not concern them. No one has asked for their infinite wisdom. Why do they feel the need to share?

The General thinks since he has lived through ONE arbitration of seniority lists that he is the undeniable expert on the process for every other future integration in the history of time. I have decided that 15,000 posts on this forum by any one individual is not a display of experience, but one struggling to make a name for themselves. It does no garner respect, it garners pity. It is not funny. Just plain sad.
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Same to you as what I said to NTS. Like I said, if it ever happens to us, I sure as hell do want to hear what the people that have been through it have to say. What harm is that?
How is the number of posts equate to cockyness? I'm home sick so I'm posting more, does that make me more cocky?
Good luck to everyone.
 
Bob Dylan said:
You're quite welcome. Have fun with your new best pals, the Trannies. I guess after the merger goes thru you can go back to trashing them again. Gotta love a man with principles. You rock!

At least for now you and your new best friend Ty can meet up on ATL layovers for some male bonding and maybe even some good old fashioned furniture moving!

See ya pal!
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Bob,

It seems like you have some problems with the "trannies", and maybe it stems from getting the boot during an interview there? It is puzzling, but obvious. Oh wait, you have turned into an arbitrator yourself and have already decided your own SLI for them, after hearing from all sides of course?

So, you fly the MD11? How is Centurion Air Cargo in MIA?



Bye Bye---General Lee
 
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Texman

Don't think that will happen. You are way to senior for that. He will be on the bottom of the list. And if you buy him a beer then the general is going to be real mad at you, cause you are playing with his bitch
 
orangebellyav8r said:
RIGHT...you keep saying that....TO THE BOTTOM THE THE LIST
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In today's arbitrated climate, that just won't happen. It really won't. Keep saying it, but an AT Captain will very likely stay a Captain, and if you do fly for SWA, you will be slinging his gear, and he will make you do 3 walkarounds when it is icy cold, before your allnighter from LBB to ATL. Sorry Ty, but it looks like you will be doing allnighters with this guy, and from LBB too. Sorry.


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
the General has NO life.
 
ivauir said:
We don't do allnighters.
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"OH, YOU WILL BE, YOU WILLLLLLLLL BEEEEE....." (in Yoda-like voice)

Airtran does them now, and you will be allowed to do them in the future. If not, then great, Delta will win again. Plenty of business people want to spend as much time as home as possible and then fly all night for meetings. If GK wants to stop what AT is doing, I am sure that is fine with our guys.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
SWA/FO said:
the General has NO life.
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No, I actually have a great life. Besides having a great wife that makes a lot more money than I do, I get to fly what I want, where I want. I just did a great Asia trip that had a Saipan layover, and it was facinating.

Regardless, HAVE A HAPPY NEW YEAR! I love you guys.


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
Ty Webb said:
AMF, you complain about your Union and then go around them and try to negotiate in public . . . Are you kidding me?
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I guess expressing excitement and hope over the great things ahead is some sort of threat to unity? It's no secret how huge this is for nearly every AAI guy/girl. I guess it's also inappropriate to find concern in the actions of some who act as if they wish this deal wouldn't happen?

So Ty, must every AT pilot stay in line with the union and particularly this MEC regardless of their actions? There's plenty to be concerned with right now. Many are unhappy with how LH and TO are handling things lately.

First is TO, the well known SWA-hater, promising repeatedly that there is no such thing as a transition team. Then LH tells the group there IS a transition team, and he's heading it. WTFO? Then, making threats with the Strike Committee. This may be the worst time to show aggression. I would hate to see Gary get spooked. After the recall (the first recall that is), who knows what's next!

I am excited about this deal! There is much to be gained, but I have concerns as well. I see certain people making decisions that could screw this up, and I find it hard to sit and quietly watch this go down the tubes.
 
malibuVride said:
I guess expressing excitement and hope over the great things ahead is some sort of threat to unity? It's no secret how huge this is for nearly every AAI guy/girl. I guess it's also inappropriate to find concern in the actions of some who act as if they wish this deal wouldn't happen?

So Ty, must every AT pilot stay in line with the union and particularly this MEC regardless of their actions? There's plenty to be concerned with right now. Many are unhappy with how LH and TO are handling things lately.

First is TO, the well known SWA-hater, promising repeatedly that there is no such thing as a transition team. Then LH tells the group there IS a transition team, and he's heading it. WTFO? Then, making threats with the Strike Committee. This may be the worst time to show aggression. I would hate to see Gary get spooked. After the recall (the first recall that is), who knows what's next!

I am excited about this deal! There is much to be gained, but I have concerns as well. I see certain people making decisions that could screw this up, and I find it hard to sit and quietly watch this go down the tubes.
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Wall St likes this merger, and GK has gone on record saying how great it would be for SWA. I don't see GK getting spooked at all, he will just have to fork out the same money for AT people as he is doing for SWA people, to keep that "culture" alive. It is just that simple.


Bye Bye---General Lee
 
General Lee said:
Bob,

It seems like you have some problems with the "trannies", and maybe it stems from getting the boot during an interview there? It is puzzling, but obvious. Oh wait, you have turned into an arbitrator yourself and have already decided your own SLI for them, after hearing from all sides of course?

So, you fly the MD11? How is Centurion Air Cargo in MIA?



Bye Bye---General Lee
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Centurian is awesome!! Thanks for asking! You're awesome too!

The fact is that an arbitrator knows how much of a windfall this is for he Trannies. I also predict that the arbitrator will rule that a staple is 'fair' in this case, considering that if it came down to a vote of the pilot group, an overwhelming majority would be thrilled with a staple to SWA. Just the greedy senior trannie captains wouldbe the only NO votes.

In any case, looking forward to you bashing your new best AirTran CA friends here now,( because SWA is moving into ATL) after this whole merger is done.

You're awesome dude and your principles are amazing. Way to go bro. Have fun at Spondivitz with your new best pal Ty on the ATL layover!
 
Yeah, must be awesome flying CA on an MD11 for AirTran FO wages
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I thought pay didn't matter? I thought one's status was predicated ONLY on one's seniority and had nothing to do with one's company and contract?

So...despite the wide pay and status disparity between Centaurian and Airtran, you'd offer relative seniority to their list if AAI acquired them. Right?
 
RedDogC130 said:
Can't the same be said for airtrans captains versus saw fo pay?
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Say what you want. Sure, that's it! :rolleyes:

It's actually about $11./hr difference, plus I get an awesome schedule, an easy commute, and I get to fly with my favorite CA every day.

I luv ya, man, but you're not getting my seat. Sorry. :laugh:
 

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