SWA-AAI Going Rogue

[Ty Webb]

You can love an airline but be willing to strike for what you believe in. Everyone is different.

Thanks, Whataburger.

None of us wanted to strike, but after 6 years of negotiations, it became clear to 98% of our Pilots that we were not going to get the contract we deserved without taking it all the way. It was an unfortunate reality.

I think most of us feel we didn't get the contract we could have if it had gone to the mat, but the landscape changed when the merger was announced, and it was nearly impossible to keep the focus on negotiations after the announcement. . . . Worry about 12-18 months, or worry about the rest of your career? Obviously, emotions have been running high, and for a long time.

 

[Whataburger]

Thanks, Whataburger.

None of us wanted to strike, but after 6 years of negotiations, it became clear to 98% of our Pilots that we were not going to get the contract we deserved without taking it all the way. It was an unfortunate reality.

I believe in exhausting EVERY option before even saying the word "strike," but after 6 yrs...

...an unfortunate reality.

When we get done with all the bullcrap, it's going to be a good ride.

 

[madjack]

AAI/SWA will have 22% of the domestic market, that means more pricing power, more profits and more growth...AAI pilots wants to be treated fairly as do SWA pilots...GK wants to OWN the domestic market and he will need to grow the combined airline to do that....the combined pilot group will reap the benefits of this growth...we must also share the risk.

 

[malibuVride]

You can love an airline but be willing to strike for what you believe in. Everyone is different.

It's beyond me how anyone (except maybe the ex-Eastern you-know-whats) could claim to love , or even like, an airline who's mgmt has defined itself through a series of very nasty negotiations with nearly every labor group, wrongful terminations and suspensions, and promotion of discontent and infighting at every opportunity!

There just isn't much to love. That's why over 95% voted in favor of striking. It wasn't to save AAI, but to put an end to it!

The sooner SWA saves this group from these practices, the better!

 

[RedDogC130]

Malibu....have you applied to swa or anywhere in the last 5 years....if it is so bad there, why have you not left?

 

[malibuVride]

Malibu....have you applied to swa or anywhere in the last 5 years....if it is so bad there, why have you not left?

I didn't want to buy the type rating.
I think many in this group felt like this AAI thing was the last attempt at a successful airline career. The outlook was promising after being hired, but once things started down this destructive path, there didn't seem to be an end in sight. My next step probably would have been to buy a Quizno's or SUbway.

 

[Lonestar]

"There is a list of around 75 guys on the Swapa forum that left Airtran to come over to SWA at the bottom."

They will be kicking themselves then. The arbitrator will not take that into account. That was their own choice to do that. Ooooops.

I here that some in your MEC/MC are discussing ways to give the former tranny's their AAI seniority back as part of an SLI deal. Apparently someone over there thinks an arbitrator would take it into account. I guess that would be one way to deal with those pilots' definition of career expectations.

 

[Kharma Police]

"There is a list of around 75 guys on the Swapa forum that left Airtran to come over to SWA at the bottom."



I here that some in your MEC/MC are discussing ways to give the former tranny's their AAI seniority back as part of an SLI deal. Apparently someone over there thinks an arbitrator would take it into account. I guess that would be one way to deal with those pilots' definition of career expectations.

Still making shiz up?, nice!!!!

I hear SWAPA wants us to sacrifice our first born as a test of faith.

 

[Bill Nelson]

I hear SWAPA wants us to sacrifice our first born as a test of faith.

I have heard that too.

 

[27 driver]

So that must explain the 95% vote for a strike, you love it at AirTran so much....

Most if not all of us like the Airline. We simply don't like the management team. Big difference.

 

[Kharma Police]

Most if not all of us like the Airline. We simply don't like the management team. Big difference.

Agreed. We have a great family here at AirTran. Unfortunately, we have an abusive father.

 

[General Lee]

"There is a list of around 75 guys on the Swapa forum that left Airtran to come over to SWA at the bottom."



I here that some in your MEC/MC are discussing ways to give the former tranny's their AAI seniority back as part of an SLI deal. Apparently someone over there thinks an arbitrator would take it into account. I guess that would be one way to deal with those pilots' definition of career expectations.

There was an argument like this during the DL/NWA arbitration. The NWA guy gave a story about two pilots who were both at Western Airlines when it was merged with DL, and both were furloughed. One guy stayed furloughed and eventually came back to DL, and the other guy went to NWA. The NWA guy tried to convince (in testimony) that they should be treated the same, with the Western seniority, instead of the current day DL or NWA seniority. The arbitrators didn't agree, and did not treat them the same, because both pilots had a choice to do whatever they wanted in life, and one stuck it out, while the other did not. The AT pilots that left for SWA were not FORCED to do anything, it was their choice. Nobody has do work for anyone. Expect the same type of deal, unless the union folks try to get involved, but that still doesn't mean the arbitrators will agree to it. They will determine the list.


Bye Bye---General Lee