SWA-AAI Going Rogue

[kdaforever]

Alright members.. I'm back from vacation.. First Happy new Year... and now that I have caught up on some of the threads, see some folks did not make a new resolution to be nice here on Flight INfo...

As a moderator, you guys leave me little choice in actions that must be taken.. I am asking you all to please.... please... dont' make me the bad guy.... keep your comments on topic, no personal attacks of any kind.. If you know a memberhere in real life.. DO NOT use that info to gain an advantage on that member here... It will be pretty easy to tell if you do... it will you earn you a nice 30 day suspension...

This AAI/SWA thread like the others here in the Majors section is going the wrong direction.. stay inside the TOS... The thread might just be closed if it keeps going south..

Are you saying that this forum is not real life. Is it, maybe, some sort of "forum of distorted reality"? A house of worship for the egotistical? An outlet of insecurities and desperation? Are you saying this forum is 98% filled with narcissistic,condescending,self-rightous,power hungry,control freak,envious, bitter, holier than thou, it's all about me, I've got mine-you don't deserve your's, kind of members/posters? I'M SHOCKED! If you will excuse me, I must retire for the eve. I have to go to the east wing of the house and make sure the 5 escorts are tucked in on top of my piles of cash, call the servants and let them know that when they are done parking my 7 cars in the subterranean garage, change the lighting in the fountain and waterfall, they are released for the night.OH, I should probably have them wind my big watch for me since I have to get up early to fly my really big jet. Great trip by the way, one leg to HNL..48 hr. layover, one leg back. I was just informed that the back end crew is a total new hire crew...nobody over 23! I don't know why I am so happy....it happens every week.

P.S. This is not a personal attack on any one individual, merely a startling realization and a blanket statement. Hey, did I ever tell you about the time that I was.......oh, nevermind.

 

[RedDogC130]

This may come as a huge shock to you, Bill, but I and the vast majority of AirTran Captains wouldn't have voluntarily left AirTran to start over at SWA.

Well since the people department will/have given the nc the names of all airtran people who had applications with swa I would bet you are slightly off on your assumption. I think you may be a bit surprised.

 

[ivauir]

This may come as a huge shock to you, Bill, but I and the vast majority of AirTran Captains wouldn't have voluntarily left AirTran to start over at SWA.

I'm sure you are aware that there are several former AAI Captains who did exactly that.

 

[Ty Webb]

I'm sure you are aware that there are several former AAI Captains who did exactly that.

I can think of two. Two out of 900. That's why I said "the vast majority".

 

[Ty Webb]

I can understand that you came from the Comair Academy or Gulfstream airlines and never really understood what it is like to be a FO.

Actually, when I first joined Flightinfo, in 1996, it was to learn more about our industry and to voice my frustration at the regionals that were charging pilots for required training, and scumbag outfits like Gulfstream that were charging pilots for the "privilege" of serving as a required crew member.

So, no dice there, Sporto.

And, yes, after flying Captain on the 737 for the past 6 years, I do kinda like it, just a little. Not a crime.

 

[ivauir]

I can think of two. Two out of 900. That's why I said "the vast majority".

I noticed that you were unable to keep your comment neutral or fact based. Truth is you have no basis for your assertion, but I am coming to expect such hyperbole from you.

No idea or statement about the :vast majority", but I can think of 6 AAI Captains who left for SWA.

Happy New Year

 

[roughneck]

There is a list of around 75 guys on the Swapa forum that left Airtran to come over to SWA at the bottom.

 

[johnsonrod]

There is a list of around 75 guys on the Swapa forum that left Airtran to come over to SWA at the bottom.

They will be kicking themselves then. The arbitrator will not take that into account. That was their own choice to do that. Ooooops.

 

[roughneck]

They will be kicking themselves then.

I doubt it. Regardless how the SLI turns out these guys are better off having come over to SWA as early as possible. I haven't spoken to a single pilot who thinks it would have been better to stay at Airtran.

 

[Ty Webb]

There is a list of around 75 guys on the Swapa forum that left Airtran to come over to SWA at the bottom.

Notice I said "Captains". That number is in the single digits. Out of 900+ Captains, it is statistically insignificant.

I don't think an Arbitrator would consider that sort of information, btw. That is just "anecdotal evidence".

 

[roughneck]

One of the guys would have been #2 on your list now.

 

[Ty Webb]

One of the guys would have been #2 on your list now.

I don't know of that person. Retired from AAI?

 

[roughneck]

I don't know of that person. Retired from AAI?

No, he quit and came here as a new hire. He made more money his 2nd year then he ever did at Airtran.

 

[texman]

Actually, when I first joined Flightinfo, in 1996, it was to learn more about our industry and to voice my frustration at the regionals that were charging pilots for required training, and scumbag outfits like Gulfstream that were charging pilots for the "privilege" of serving as a required crew member.

So, no dice there, Sporto.

And, yes, after flying Captain on the 737 for the past 6 years, I do kinda like it, just a little. Not a crime.

Just giving tough luv.LOL Question though? How many of those 2000 hour wonder GA guy's do you have? My buddy over there said it is about 200 +.

 

[johnsonrod]

No, he quit and came here as a new hire. He made more money his 2nd year then he ever did at Airtran.

Now that guy will be at the bottom of a newly combined SWA. That is the way it goes. That will not matter to the arbitrator.

 

[Tripower455]

Just giving tough luv.LOL Question though? How many of those 2000 hour wonder GA guy's do you have? My buddy over there said it is about 200 +.

More importantly, how many of the 1500 hour wonder F-Teeners are they gonna bring to the table?

 

[Kharma Police]

More importantly, how many of the 1500 hour wonder F-Teeners are they gonna bring to the table?

It's the mission planning.

 

[Aviator2010]

This may come as a huge shock to you, Bill, but I and the vast majority of AirTran Captains wouldn't have voluntarily left AirTran to start over at SWA.

So that must explain the 95% vote for a strike, you love it at AirTran so much....

 

[Whataburger]

So that must explain the 95% vote for a strike, you love it at AirTran so much....

You can love an airline but be willing to strike for what you believe in. Everyone is different.

 

[carl p]

I'll refrain on predicting the outcome of any SLI in terms of who benefits more or less but will offer an opinion that the final outcome will look different than other SLI agreements and from what has been described on this forum in terms of predictions (shocking I know considering there have been so many suggestions).

There are unseen influences/factors that none of us are aware of that will impact each team's decision making process in developing their positions on their "preferred version" of an SLI. Continued pressure/influence from both AAI and SWA pilots on the "process" continue to shape opening positions and will impact subsequent follow on positions for weeks and months to come. That further negates "forum experts" opinions or predictions.

In terms of SWAPA, I believe there are many competent persons, both inside SWAPA and outside, who will have combined the most creative solutions to make the most convincing case to the AAI M&A team that will result in a "fair and equitable" solution for both groups.

No arbitrator is my prediction but a final vote.

I'll even go out on a limb and predict (you heard it here first), 75% approval rate by AAI pilots and 60-65% approval rate by SWAPA pilots.

That will bring out calls for my Clear Skies admission but it is too late, already applied and rejected....too far gone!:smash:

Seriously, each of the M&A committees speak for their respective groups and I remain a supporter of that approach. I think its a fool's mission to assume anything is accomplished other than entertainment and burning up free time with posts on FI or any forum on this topic. It will have no consequence to the final outcome.

OBTW, it does allow GL to rack up more posts which we are happy to contribute to

To all readers of FI, I hope you and your loved ones have a Happy New Year and that 2011 is productive and healthy for you and your family.

Thanks to the moderators and owners of the forum for providing an outlet to express various levels of useful information and opinions.

I lost a friend recently and it brought home to me how precious life is; some of us reading this will not be around a year from now so please take the time to express your thoughts to those that mean the most to you or who have had the most influence....life is very precious. No doubt SLI is important and will impact us all; it is however small potatoes for those who have far larger challenges in life...perspective. Apologies for the diversion from topic.

Regardless of how it flows out, I look forward to flying with you all and hope you will enjoy SWA as much as I do.

Your a class guy, sorry for the loss of your friend. I look forward to jerking gear for you.