SWA-AAI Going Rogue

[roughneck]

One of the guys would have been #2 on your list now.

 

[Ty Webb]

One of the guys would have been #2 on your list now.

I don't know of that person. Retired from AAI?

 

[roughneck]

I don't know of that person. Retired from AAI?

No, he quit and came here as a new hire. He made more money his 2nd year then he ever did at Airtran.

 

[texman]

Actually, when I first joined Flightinfo, in 1996, it was to learn more about our industry and to voice my frustration at the regionals that were charging pilots for required training, and scumbag outfits like Gulfstream that were charging pilots for the "privilege" of serving as a required crew member.

So, no dice there, Sporto.

And, yes, after flying Captain on the 737 for the past 6 years, I do kinda like it, just a little. Not a crime.

Just giving tough luv.LOL Question though? How many of those 2000 hour wonder GA guy's do you have? My buddy over there said it is about 200 +.

 

[johnsonrod]

No, he quit and came here as a new hire. He made more money his 2nd year then he ever did at Airtran.

Now that guy will be at the bottom of a newly combined SWA. That is the way it goes. That will not matter to the arbitrator.

 

[Tripower455]

Just giving tough luv.LOL Question though? How many of those 2000 hour wonder GA guy's do you have? My buddy over there said it is about 200 +.

More importantly, how many of the 1500 hour wonder F-Teeners are they gonna bring to the table?

 

[Kharma Police]

More importantly, how many of the 1500 hour wonder F-Teeners are they gonna bring to the table?

It's the mission planning.

 

[Aviator2010]

This may come as a huge shock to you, Bill, but I and the vast majority of AirTran Captains wouldn't have voluntarily left AirTran to start over at SWA.

So that must explain the 95% vote for a strike, you love it at AirTran so much....

 

[Whataburger]

So that must explain the 95% vote for a strike, you love it at AirTran so much....

You can love an airline but be willing to strike for what you believe in. Everyone is different.

 

[carl p]

I'll refrain on predicting the outcome of any SLI in terms of who benefits more or less but will offer an opinion that the final outcome will look different than other SLI agreements and from what has been described on this forum in terms of predictions (shocking I know considering there have been so many suggestions).

There are unseen influences/factors that none of us are aware of that will impact each team's decision making process in developing their positions on their "preferred version" of an SLI. Continued pressure/influence from both AAI and SWA pilots on the "process" continue to shape opening positions and will impact subsequent follow on positions for weeks and months to come. That further negates "forum experts" opinions or predictions.

In terms of SWAPA, I believe there are many competent persons, both inside SWAPA and outside, who will have combined the most creative solutions to make the most convincing case to the AAI M&A team that will result in a "fair and equitable" solution for both groups.

No arbitrator is my prediction but a final vote.

I'll even go out on a limb and predict (you heard it here first), 75% approval rate by AAI pilots and 60-65% approval rate by SWAPA pilots.

That will bring out calls for my Clear Skies admission but it is too late, already applied and rejected....too far gone!:smash:

Seriously, each of the M&A committees speak for their respective groups and I remain a supporter of that approach. I think its a fool's mission to assume anything is accomplished other than entertainment and burning up free time with posts on FI or any forum on this topic. It will have no consequence to the final outcome.

OBTW, it does allow GL to rack up more posts which we are happy to contribute to

To all readers of FI, I hope you and your loved ones have a Happy New Year and that 2011 is productive and healthy for you and your family.

Thanks to the moderators and owners of the forum for providing an outlet to express various levels of useful information and opinions.

I lost a friend recently and it brought home to me how precious life is; some of us reading this will not be around a year from now so please take the time to express your thoughts to those that mean the most to you or who have had the most influence....life is very precious. No doubt SLI is important and will impact us all; it is however small potatoes for those who have far larger challenges in life...perspective. Apologies for the diversion from topic.

Regardless of how it flows out, I look forward to flying with you all and hope you will enjoy SWA as much as I do.

Your a class guy, sorry for the loss of your friend. I look forward to jerking gear for you.

 

[Ty Webb]

You can love an airline but be willing to strike for what you believe in. Everyone is different.

Thanks, Whataburger.

None of us wanted to strike, but after 6 years of negotiations, it became clear to 98% of our Pilots that we were not going to get the contract we deserved without taking it all the way. It was an unfortunate reality.

I think most of us feel we didn't get the contract we could have if it had gone to the mat, but the landscape changed when the merger was announced, and it was nearly impossible to keep the focus on negotiations after the announcement. . . . Worry about 12-18 months, or worry about the rest of your career? Obviously, emotions have been running high, and for a long time.

 

[Whataburger]

Thanks, Whataburger.

None of us wanted to strike, but after 6 years of negotiations, it became clear to 98% of our Pilots that we were not going to get the contract we deserved without taking it all the way. It was an unfortunate reality.

I believe in exhausting EVERY option before even saying the word "strike," but after 6 yrs...

...an unfortunate reality.

When we get done with all the bullcrap, it's going to be a good ride.

 

[madjack]

AAI/SWA will have 22% of the domestic market, that means more pricing power, more profits and more growth...AAI pilots wants to be treated fairly as do SWA pilots...GK wants to OWN the domestic market and he will need to grow the combined airline to do that....the combined pilot group will reap the benefits of this growth...we must also share the risk.

 

[malibuVride]

You can love an airline but be willing to strike for what you believe in. Everyone is different.

It's beyond me how anyone (except maybe the ex-Eastern you-know-whats) could claim to love , or even like, an airline who's mgmt has defined itself through a series of very nasty negotiations with nearly every labor group, wrongful terminations and suspensions, and promotion of discontent and infighting at every opportunity!

There just isn't much to love. That's why over 95% voted in favor of striking. It wasn't to save AAI, but to put an end to it!

The sooner SWA saves this group from these practices, the better!

 

[RedDogC130]

Malibu....have you applied to swa or anywhere in the last 5 years....if it is so bad there, why have you not left?