SWA/AAI and the flight deck jumpseat

[FlyinHigh737]

Poor trannies negotiating with a gun pointed at their head, and they don't even know it.

 

[Kharma Police]

Poor trannies negotiating with a gun pointed at their head, and they don't even know it.

Better hope the gun doesn't misfire and blow up in your face.

 

[BlueBlood]

This is getting old. Both sides will fight as hard as they can, just like a boxer. When all said and done, the one with the best trainer and effective training will win. After that, go fly and be merry that the fight is over.

Of course it could be weighted toward one side with a crappy trainer, no training and in that case just kick each other in the ball sack until you retire.

 

[PCL_128]

Why on earth would they? They are trying to run your airline. Not ours.

I was talking about our Scheduling Committee guys, not the company.

 

[waveflyer]

PCL-
Why are you fanning the flames?
Why are you intensely trying to raise the SLI expectations of AT pilots?
Why are you trying to discount all the benefits of this deal to AT pilots?

I have my theory.
All AT guys need to watch this guy and make sure ALPA (and your senior for that matter) is operating in your best interest.

I was "senior" at my first commuter. THAT didn't pay my mortgage. Or for my Harley. Or my education fund. Or my vacation to Tahiti last march. Or for the day I spent at the pool instead of at the doctor's bc my stress is so low and schedule so healthy and productive here that I get 4-5 more days off than I ever have. Or...... Or......

Seniority is all swa pilots can tangibly gain out of this. And the vast majority will not accept anything but a significant gain in relative seniority for all swa pilots- argue that all you want - but as a relatively junior FO here who has never made more money or had a better life as that junior FO- it is not worth risking this deal over seniority for AT pilots- it isn't worth DELAYING this dea over seniority.

The disparity in lifestyle between junior and senior is big at most airlines- here it is flatter. Seniority allows you to bid lines of pairings and vacation. There is not much difference in pairings- these pairings are great at the junior end. And ELLITT/TTGA gives you so much flexibility in your month -

You'll get vacation and if you can't hold a certain week initially, chances are you'll be able to trade into the week you need at some point as pilots transfer
around domiciles-

At some point you have to ask what you're fighting for?

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

"Signifigant gain in relative seniority" huh wave?

What would that be, 5%, 10%, 20%, 30%?

 

[Tripower455]

"Signifigant gain in relative seniority" huh wave?

What would that be, 5%, 10%, 20%, 30%?

I'm gonna go with a MILLION, no, make that a ZILLION!!!! percent!

Or, how about quantifying the significant gains that you're getting, and turn that into a %. That's the number that would be "fair and equitable", right?

This is not gonna be solved on this message board. Let the MCs do their work.

Then, if it turns out bad, we'll have another East/West situation, and none of us will lose anything!

 

[SWA/FO]

Wheres Ty? Is he finally listening to his union? No wait, nobody has "said anything" to him. Come out, come out where ever you are!! Can't be flying, can he?

 

[texman]

Here we go. Off to the races.

 

[Ty Webb]

Nothing new here to discuss. So the company that bought us pays more per hour. That doesn't mean you're somehow entitled to my seniority, no matter how you may justify it to yourselves. History and the law are telling you the same thing. See ya on the other side.

 

[madjack]

Ty,

You will lose seniority or you will not get on the list...pretty simple, sorry, not really, you will be working at a better run company that values its employees and your career will be more valuable...

 

[Tripower455]

Nothing new here to discuss. So the company that bought us pays more per hour. That doesn't mean you're somehow entitled to my seniority, no matter how you may justify it to yourselves. History and the law are telling you the same thing. See ya on the other side.

But you are somehow entitled to OUR seniority?

On top of all the other significant gains you'll get if integrated?

 

[madjack]

P.S. And Ty knows this...

 

[greenpilot]

But you are somehow entitled to OUR seniority?

On top of all the other significant gains you'll get if integrated?

we are not entitled to your seniority, but we do want your seniority, pay, upgrades, schedules and your flight attendants. we want it all. We will let you keep the 737 classics though. I think most of the airtran guys would be lost with out the glass.

 

[Tripower455]

we are not entitled to your seniority, but we do want your seniority, pay, upgrades, schedules and your flight attendants. we want it all. We will let you keep the 737 classics though. I think most of the airtran guys would be lost with out the glass.

Well, we, as a whole, want to give you guys preferential interviews and would settle on a staple.

It's up to the MCs to come up with something "equitable"......