SWA/AAI and the flight deck jumpseat

[27 driver]

8v8,
I ALWAYS make an attempt to say hi and welcome our newest Family Members. I have tons of friends there from my previous life and I am excited to work with them once again. I commute on you guys and for the most part I am treated like gold. However, I have been on the receiving end on some pretty harsh and unsolicited posturing as a captive audience on your jumpseat as well. It goes both ways. It is not just SWA guys stirring the pot. This message board represents a FEW people from both sides and nothing is going to be solved here, thank goodness! We can all sit around and think we deserve this or that but in reality it is by the Grace Of God we even get to wake up in the morning.

Damn, how true is that? Well said.

 

[JT12345]

Delta/nwa did not go relative. It was based on ratios. Delta tried to use the pay argument. They tried to have the nwa 9 Capts in the same cat as delta international 75 Fo. The arbitrator did not agree.
As far as what would have happened if things were different. Who cares!

Depends what you call relative.

NWA got a 25% raise taking on Delta rates. Max loss of 2% in relative senority, and NWA kept their retirement.

BTW before the merger Airtran pilots made 15% more than narrow body pilots at NWA. Now we r tied with Delta.

 

[waveflyer]

We had a Frontier guy on our jumpseat recently. He had their IMSL on his Ipad. There was a Republic guy who was born in 1987, one number above a Frontier guy who was hired in 1987.

It was pretty appalling. I think we can agree on that.

Veracity of the facts aside....

Are there NO consequences to being bought?

 

[27 driver]

Veracity of the facts aside....

Are there NO consequences to being bought?

So we should be punished because we built a company that your boss wanted?

 

[redflyer65]

No there is no consequences. Kinda like Airtran buying Mesa. DOH/RS for Mesa with all the upgrades of the new contract. That wouldn't hurt the AAI guys at all.

Fair, right?

 

[dicko]

Veracity of the facts aside....

Are there NO consequences to being bought?

There are consequences for everybody for everything . For both you and I.

Did we commit a crime ? We woke up one morning and our boss had sold us. You're not Attila the Hun. If you want to behave like the APA then you'll end up with a culture like American Airlines.

 

[Ty Webb]

No there is no consequences. Kinda like Airtran buying Mesa. DOH/RS for Mesa with all the upgrades of the new contract. That wouldn't hurt the AAI guys at all.

Fair, right?

You mean if Mesa wasn't bankrupt? There would have to be integration, but there's a big difference between the aircraft size. The larger AAI aircraft would likely factor into it, just like in DAL/NWA they split the groups into NB and WB.

You wouldn't see pilots flushed out of equipment, seat and domicile, just like you aren't likely to see that in our SLI.

 

[27 driver]

No there is no consequences. Kinda like Airtran buying Mesa. DOH/RS for Mesa with all the upgrades of the new contract. That wouldn't hurt the AAI guys at all.

Fair, right?

So what exactly do you propose? You are comparing a regional to a major. Whether you want to believe it or not we both are majors. We fly the same equipment on similar routes. Furthermore, if an arbitrator came back with that decision than so be it. I wouldn't think I am deserving of their captain seats as I did not have them previously. Its just a difference of opinion really. If you believe that all are capts should be downgraded and their seats given to SWA FO's then that's your opinion and you are entitled to it. That is probably why this will come down to arbitration. Either way cheers mate. SERENITY NOW!!!! SERENITY NOW!!!

 

[redflyer65]

but there's a big difference between the aircraft size.

Yes, if they weren't in bankruptcy.

Didn't you mean pay? You can't have it both ways...aircraft size, pay. One in the same.

Gonna be interesting to see how it all works out. Hopefully we can negotiate a large portion of it..maybe not 100%, but as close as we can then move on with the final award.

 

[redflyer65]

So what exactly do you propose? You are comparing a regional to a major. Whether you want to believe it or not we both are majors. We fly the same equipment on similar routes. Furthermore, if an arbitrator came back with that decision than so be it. I wouldn't think I am deserving of their captain seats as I did not have them previously. Its just a difference of opinion really. If you believe that all are capts should be downgraded and their seats given to SWA FO's then that's your opinion and you are entitled to it. That is probably why this will come down to arbitration. Either way cheers mate. SERENITY NOW!!!! SERENITY NOW!!!

I could have chosen Alligent instead of Mesa, would that make it all better? Similar aircraft size. Realitive seniority would be okay right?

It's harder to argue the otherside of the coin when you are put in that corner.

Just like the F9 guys wanting ALL the republic guys stapled because F9 flew larger aircraft. Didn't turn out as planned.