Students and freshly minted commercial pilots read here!!

[Flying Ninja]

Thanks but I'm about one foot in the bankruptcy hole. I don't have money for anything these days. I'm just trying to find a job that will pay enough for me to pay my monthly CAPT loan. I don't foresee PIC in a single engine any time soon in the next few years.

 

[mcjohn]

What kind of job you lookin for and where?

 

[Flying Ninja]

Primarily IT work but at this point, anything that will bring in money so that I can direct deposit to my lender would be fine by me.

 

[sperfly]

I Give Props McJohn, I toured two of the schools with glossy magazine ads almost vomited on myself at the price tag associated with there training. I went to a state run flight school in Georgia and only had to pay for the flight time, all the ground school and instructors where paid by the tax payers. I am now Chief Pilot on a King Air 200 with only 1200 hundred hours of total time in my book.

 

[mcjohn]

State run flight school in Georgia? I'm from Augusta and lived in Atlanta for a while and never found this place you speak of. Maybe your speaking of the Georgia Flight Academy in Athens? I guess that could be associated with the state through UGA. Do tell!

 

[sperfly]

GAVTC or Georgia Aviation and Technical College and it is located in beautiful Eastman Georgia. I did Private thru CFI in a year and a half, I was patient because it was just after 911. After I finished I instructed there for six months and got my CFII and MEI for the cost of a checkride. Afterwards I got another intern thru the school with the Georgia DOT flying King Air 90s out of Fulton Co. as a Co-pilot. I was there for three months and walked into my present job flying a Chieftain for just under a year and now a King Air 200 single pilot. All of this for less than 25K.

 

[mcjohn]

Damm sperly! I was looking so hard for a place like that because I always knew that GA had great state financial aid support and HOPE grants and all. Never found it though. Dammit!!!!!!!!!!! Oh well I got all mine for 30k but still no CFII or MEI. Thanks for sharing the info. Hopefully someone will read this and go there.

 

[frog_flyer]

theres a place like that in waco texas that looks pretty cool.

couldnt tell ya what the name is, www.google.com

 

[siucavflight]

Yay...rah, rah... I want to be in you...

2200 hrs after 8 years? I guess you're in for the looooong haul. Don't worry, be happy.

You want to be in me???????

 

[mcjohn]

HEEEEEY! This thread's important. None of the jibber jabby!

 

[schoolio]

theres a place like that in waco texas that looks pretty cool.

couldnt tell ya what the name is, www.google.com

I think that's TSTC...try www.tstc.edu

 

[mcjohn]

http://www.waco.tstc.edu/apt/index.php

 

[The_Russian]

Dear McJohn,

While we appriciate your attempts to correct all the wrong doing in this industry, I believe you are talking out of place. First, you talk of the other bridge programs and flight schools as if you have first hand experience with them, when you do not. Your knowledge of everything in the industry is based on hearsay, testimony, and flightinfo rumor if you have not actually experienced it. Secondly, you believe that only total time counts in the quality of a pilot. I have flown with T-38 IP's that suck worse than guys with 230 hours just of IOE in the BE1900. I doesn't matter where you come from, your background, or your flight time. If you can't operate aircraft with skill, you will never be able to. Moving on. You seem to believe that everyone with turbine time below 1000 hours has had their rich parents pay for them. That is simply not true. I have a debt to Key Bank, not to the rents. And BTW, my parents are middle class as with most of the people who I know at my airline. Finally, you are not in the airline industry. Stay within your own realm.

Advice:

1. Keep instructing. get out as soon as possible and into turbine equipment. (no duh)

2. Do not take a job in a jet for $20 an hour. You are just as bad as all the ones you are pointing your finger at if you accept. The regional jet IS the downfall of compensation in the industry. Ask any transportation or aviation analyst. Go to a turboprop regional, upgrade to Captain quick.

3. Don't run you mouth about things you don't have a first hand knowledge of.

4. People who train at the places mentions get jobs. And they get them quickly. I was a CFI for three years. While it did teach me things and I do recommend it, I got nothing out of it towards advancing my career. Most of this was attributed to 9/11. I finally broke down and went to GIA. Now I am a Captain at 25, I have 1000 PIC turbine and I am ready to move up. Best thing I ever got in debt over.

Reason I can talk:

I have been on both sides of the fence and see the truth. I used to point fingers at my own students at GAA and ask why they were in the airliner and I was not. The reason was because they were career smart and I wasn't.

I am not biased or jealous (anymore). I once was as an instructor. That is how I know you are jealous and that you feel as though no one else deserves those jobs but you.

I have first hand experience with what you speak of. Good luck to all of you. Don't listen to anyone but yourself. They don't know whats best for you.

 

[Flying Ninja]

...propaganda...

Not everyone is as fortunate and as lucky as you are. Some of us did go through fast track programs and got taken. I for one have certificates that are useless and a logbook that hasn't been opened in months because I can't afford to get into the business. I don't have any more fuggin' money. So maybe you shouldn't run your mouth too quickly either. The whole point to this thread is to advise people NOT to jump into this industry too quickly and definitely consider the ramifications of fast track programs. Because they all lie and definitely don't paint you the real picture of this fuggin' career path.

 

[The_Russian]

Not everyone is as fortunate and as lucky as you are.

Not fortunate or lucky. I worked very hard to get where I am. It wasn't all about GIA.

So maybe you shouldn't run your mouth too quickly either. The whole point to this thread is to advise people NOT to jump into this industry too quickly and definitely consider the ramifications of fast track programs.

I am not running my mouth. I speak the truth.

Because they all lie and definitely don't paint you the real picture of this fuggin' career path.

The airlines follow suite with the schools. They will tell you the same poop.

Sorry buddy, if you really wanted it you would beg for it. You could still be flying part time to build hours. I hear this stuff all the time.