Strike Vote Called For at NetJets

[PseudoName]

Pseudo I don't really care about your plight, or the fact YOU can live on 22k. Not my problem. I don't care. We are fighting for a better QOL. Accept it and stop trying to bring negativity.

NJA states that a pilot cannot live on 1st year wages.

I was stating a fact that someone can.

Negativity??? I am not part of a pilot group who is always talking about how they are getting the shaft....poor me, what am I going to do if I don't get 100K in year 5, etc.

You guys say how the grass is greener on the other side.......I am just pointing out that it isn't! You will find out in the coming months!

 

[semperfido]

semper,

I dont know how long ago you worked for your old company. many companies in the past did alot of things-

things change. I know of few companies today that will pay for you to take courses that are not directly related to your present job.

i think many co still do it. mostly fortune 500 types. i guess we will have to agree to disagree

 

[Diesel]

Eating beans and franks and having some hooker shoot up in the alleyway is not a good way to live.

No thanks- I'll work hard at providing more for my family. 20k is an embarassment. But i guess for you the 15k a coex pilot makes is more than enough.

 

[PseudoName]

Eating beans and franks and having some hooker shoot up in the alleyway is not a good way to live.

Hey, "spin" it whatever way you want. You guys still won't get even close to what you are demanding.

Period.

Don't like the truth? Maybe you ought to look into the Truck Driver info I posted a few pages back.

 

[Lrjet55]

I'm looking for some strainght poop as I have a classdate for Indoc of 20 June 05

1). Should I "plan" on a strike three days after I get there?
2). I refuse to be a scab - what about finishing taining (G-200) though?
3). What can I expect with a new contract (pay, workrules, etc.)?
Anything else that could influence my decision to give up CRJ IP job at Independence Air to go to NJ?

Thanks, Nick

Nick,I personaly wouldnt leave your position for NJA unless you are forced to. We can't tell you if there will be a strike or what the work rules will be. Personally I dont think a strike will happen. If you want to work 14/10 for 5, 6 or 7 days straight, never having a normal sleep pattern or know what time you will go to work or come home the hop on board. I am not trashing the NJA, just simply stating the facts.

 

[Live4flyng]

Well sir, obviously you've been sleeping through your own union's rhetoric because against the wishes of everyone else not to be involved you've all been doing a pretty good job of doing exactly that. First, with the single carrier lawsuit, second with the scab-listing threat for the 135 guys, and then with all of this "less-safe, less-trained, less-productive" garbage. Like I've said a thousand times, you keep double talking.

Can you please explain what bearing a single carrier suit has on any 135 or corporate operator? Exactly how will this have any effect on you personally? More importantly, why are you concerned with an internal issue like this? How is this rhetoric?

The SCAB list thing you keep bringing up is nothing more than rhetoric. Griz did a nice job of explaining it to you, but I am sure we will see more comments about it. Rhetoric from the union or the ones who keep bringing it up?

Not even sure why anyone wastes their time responding to a moron like PseudoName. He is interested in driving trucks and making $20K a year. It's foolish to argue with an idiot.

 

[PseudoName]

Not even sure why anyone wastes their time responding to a moron like PseudoName. He is interested in driving trucks and making $20K a year. It's foolish to argue with an idiot.

Obviously you have no humor.

No wonder NJA management is winning in the contract negotations!

 

[ce750drvr]

Diesel

I Understood you want them to pay for your college too. But corp pays for courses related to your job -

If you are a pilot they pay for your training related to your job AND pay for your time to take them-

For other employees they pay for courses related to their jobs and do not pay for the time for the employees to take them.

FAc,

Netjets will pay for continuing education to non-bargaining employees whether it is company related or not. As long as you attend college and maintain a certain GPA, they will pay for it. Doesn't matter if you are taking classes in the aviation field or nose picking 101.

 

[FAcFriend]

Ce 750

I dont think so, not anymore. courses are to be related to your job and it is up to a maximum amount, and you are paid according to your grade in the class.

 

[I-R-DXR]

Ce 750

I dont think so, not anymore. courses are to be related to your job and it is up to a maximum amount, and you are paid according to your grade in the class.

He is right - its has to be approved by your "sup" and related to your job.

.

 

[semperfido]

He is right - its has to be approved by your "sup" and related to your job.

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many placed that can be loosely interpreted.

 

[jpilot]

Please....this is why NJA pilots are holding out for ALOT more money



<<NetJets and FlightSafety report profits for 2004
by Chad Trautvetter (AIN)

In his annual letter to shareholders published early last month, investment mogul Warren Buffett said earnings improved last year at Berkshire Hathaway’s flight services division, which includes FlightSafety International (FSI) and NetJets. Last year the unit saw its pre-tax profits rise to $191 million on revenues of $3.24 billion, up substantially from the previous year’s $72 million profit on revenues of $2.43 billion.

The letter attributed more than 90 percent of the $810 million year-over-year revenue increase at Berkshire’s flight service division to NetJets. The fractional provider’s flight operations revenue rose by nearly $400 million and revenues from aircraft sales jumped about $360 million. According to Berkshire Hathaway’s annual report, the increase in flight operations revenue was due primarily to higher usage, a larger percentage of hours being on larger aircraft and a slight rate increase. Fractional aircraft share sales climbed due to an approximately 10-percent increase in aircraft sold and a higher percentage of sales being more expensive large-cabin business jets.

Noted Buffett, “Last year NetJets again gained about 70 percent of the net new business (measured by dollar value) going to the four companies [NetJets, Flight Options, Flexjet and CitationShares] that dominate the [fractional aircraft] industry.” Buffett attributed a portion of NetJets’ growth to the 25-hour card offered by Marquis Jet Partners, an independent company that buys shares in NetJets aircraft and resells them in blocks of time.

It appears the fractional provider made an overall, if slim, profit last year: “NetJets earned a modest amount in the U.S. last year. But what we earned domestically was largely offset by losses in Europe.” It’s possible that the investment mogul tempered his statement on NetJets’ profitability given that the company’s management and 2,100 pilots are still in contract negotiations, with pay being one of the main sticking points (AIN, February 2005, page 10).

NetJets’ U.S. contracts, including Marquis customers, grew from 3,877 to 4,967 last year. This compares with approximately 1,200 contracts when Berkshire Hathaway bought NetJets in 1998.

In Europe, contracts increased from 364 to 693. Last year, U.S. owners made 2,003 flights in Europe, up 22 percent from the previous year. NetJets Europe owners made 1,067 flights in the U.S., up 65 percent from 2003.>>

 

[I-R-DXR]

Good post jpilot.

The question still is if NJ can afford to "double" the salary of 2000+ pilots.

shell game or not its ruff when no one knows just how the company is doing for real.

I mean honestly NJ can say they are making money hand over fist - What would the owners say?

30k X 2000 = 60,000,000

to

60k x 2000 = 120,000,00

I know very "off" and simple math here but I did it just get get a point across - If your are asking for double can the company afford that kind of hit?

If you are not 100% absolutely sure they can - you are killing the company.

been there done that - not fun
.

 

[I-R-DXR]

many placed that can be loosely interpreted.

True sir but it has to get approved by both your "sup" and the HR department.

honestly it isnt easy to get it thru the HR dept.

.

 

[Diesel]

Who really gives a crap. I fly the planes I don't run the business. If i did I would have never sold off the core planes. Greeeeat move BB.

Either this place is a ponzi scheme or not. If it is then it's best not to waste everyones time here.

Need to pay the pilots more raise the rates. Once again not my problem.

I'll say it again the latest proposal was an insult that showed the company does not take us seriously. Work will not set you free.

 

[DO-82 driver]

Man!!!! I wish I was headed to Baker Pond...Maybe even a fire patrol or 2. Even a check run to BOS. At least I trusted all THOSE people I worked for and was treat very well..

 

[Diesel]

Yeah not a day goes by..... Of course I hated baker pond. You could never tell how shallow the far end was and the hill towards king and bartlett never made the takeoff easy.

I'll take dinner at the white wolf and a run down mainstreet in the 180 anyday.

Treated like a human and a family member. Worlds and worlds different from this place.

 

[netjetwife]

The REAL question is--why do you insist on distortion?

Good post jpilot.

The question still is if NJ can afford to "double" the salary of 2000+ pilots.

shell game or not its ruff when no one knows just how the company is doing for real.

I mean honestly NJ can say they are making money hand over fist - What would the owners say?

30k X 2000 = 60,000,000

to

60k x 2000 = 120,000,00

I know very "off" and simple math here but I did it just get get a point across - If your are asking for double can the company afford that kind of hit?

If you are not 100% absolutely sure they can - you are killing the company.

been there done that - not fun
.

You are completely wrong in your continued assertion that the pilots are asking to have ALL salaries doubled. That is not the case at all. Some would be, but others would not. The research team that has worked on the pay scale is made up of talented people who have experiences outside of aviation that they have drawn from to assist SU. I submit that they have a far greater knowledge of the situation than you do, and are fighting to make this a career job for the pilots. At the basic foundation of that goal is the recognition that the company must remain viable.

It is understandable that you have concerns about the future--many do. That does not make it right for you to needlessly add to those worries by misrepresenting the facts of the case.

 

[netjetwife]

About those numbers---

...... I think the company is definately holding out on you, but they are never going to give the numbers netjetwife is throwing around. I would think the percentages of the high might be a good starting point.......

Please be clear about what I posted. I quoted the exact numbers used in the graph on the back of SU's handout. Those numbers represent the goals of the union. I may agree with them, but let's not give people the false impression that I am personally "throwing" numbers around. The category to use--high, average, low---was chosen with a lot of thought, I'm sure. It does reflect the clientèle flown and the level of service provided.

 

[YGBSM]

Please be clear about what I posted. I quoted the exact numbers used in the graph on the back of SU's handout. Those numbers represent the goals of the union. I may agree with them, but let's not give people the false impression that I am personally "throwing" numbers around. The category to use--high, average, low---was chosen with a lot of thought, I'm sure. It does reflect the clientèle flown and the level of service provided.

Just curious - is your husband excited about your level of involvement in his job?