Strike Vote Called For at NetJets

[netjetwife]

As I have explained in the past, to us my involvement is seen as normal. He counts on my support, and SU also believes that the families have a vital role to play in the fight for fairness. Pilots who have been through a strike, tell me that the support of their families was critical to the outcome.

Ironically, we just got off the phone. My husband was asking about posts here. It is important to him that the integrity of the graph in the SU brochure is defended. As a part of the cadre of volunteers giving up a lot of personal time, he was offended by being called a liar, and was relying on me to set the record straight.

 

[DO-82 driver]

NetJetsWife....don't mind these bucket heads. I can tell you that you speak for many of our wives out there. These guys who are commenting on my job and contract can go pound salt.

Their opinions means nothing....they are sitting on the side, watching us fight the fight. Its amazing how smart they all are. I wonder, if they are so smart...why aren't they owners?

Please...all you self proclaimed experts. We have people on our MEC can are smarter than you all on their worst day than you are on your best. Mind your business and keep your comments to yourself.....WE certainly aren't interrested in reading them.....well, except for purely entertainment reasons.

We shall win this fight!!!!!

 

[semperfido]

Mind your business and keep your comments to yourself.....WE certainly aren't interrested in reading them.....well, except for purely entertainment reasons.

....isn't that what this is?..another form of entertainment

 

[FAcFriend]

Semper- that was funny. you made even me smile.

 

[Bad Monkey!]

Sorry Chucky! but doubling the current salaries is not a stretch, it's reality pay of what a non-union pilot at OTHER NETJETS DIVISIONS MAKE!

Just what is so hard for you bone-heads to understand?

WE have been grossly underpaid for so long while the company grew on our backs, WE THE UNION PILOT GROUP want only what is fair and what is being paid to our NON-UNION NETJETS PILOTS!

So, please continue to tell me that if Netjets pays the union pilots what is a fair and just salary that THEY will go under? I guess the additional $one billion they made in the last year just went out the window and into someone's shoe box or swiss bank account!

$3,420,000,000.00- Yes if you cannot (I mean refuse to pay) your pilots what they are worth then yes: STMFD!

Shamtulli and Buffett have more to lose then the pilot group!

Just stop drinking the kool-aid and open your eyes!

 

[Heavy Set]

This is gonna be interesting to watch. Clearly, NJA management knows that this is a service business and the pilots interface with their customers. How stupid would management have to be to drag this out for too long?

The owners definitely aren't stupid - they will figure it out quickly and perhaps walk if they feel safety (and quality) has been compromised. Let's hope the strike doesn't last too long... It is very necessary, however, to send a strong message to NJA management that they can't bully the pilots into submission any more - time to pay up Warren...

 

[Diesel]

I for one make sure everyday that Safety and Quality is not an issue when i go to work. My fight is with the company not with the owners who pay me.

They have made the days longer and harder but the pilots still work hard.

 

[slowto250]

This is gonna be interesting to watch. Clearly, NJA management knows that this is a service business and the pilots interface with their customers. How stupid would management have to be to drag this out for too long?

The owners definitely aren't stupid - they will figure it out quickly and perhaps walk if they feel safety (and quality) has been compromised. Let's hope the strike doesn't last too long... It is very necessary, however, to send a strong message to NJA management that they can't bully the pilots into submission any more - time to pay up Warren...

In answer to your first question, I would submit that management is not too stupid, just cheap. As far as them not wishing to drag it out.... are you kidding ? My oldest son was a freshman in high school when this started, and has already graduated ! Every day they can prolong it, represents savings to these greedy ba$tards.

As far as the owners "figuring it out", don't hold your breath. Even if they agree with you in principle, their allegiance is to their wallets. How do you think they got to be owners ?

BTW, to reiterate: I am not employed by NJ. I am just barely smart enough however, to know that the pilot's fight for fairness will have far reaching implications for many of us, today and in years to come. Should they fail, it's gonna get real ugly around this little GA industry.

 

[TurboJetCpt]

In the end, any comments made by non-Nutjet pilots/spouses on this subject are absolutely MEANINGLESS. Methinks that we give less than a rat's ass about what you think.

 

[FracCapt]

In the end, any comments made by non-Nutjet pilots/spouses on this subject are absolutely MEANINGLESS. Methinks that we give less than a rat's ass about what you think.

Then why carry this out in a public forum? If posts by non NJ pilots and their wives are so meaningless....why not take it to the ASAP board?

Because you're trying to rally support for your cause. That's why. Some people, like NJW, are not helping your cause.

 

[Cpt Splash]

Then why carry this out in a public forum? If posts by non NJ pilots and their wives are so meaningless....why not take it to the ASAP board?

Because you're trying to rally support for your cause. That's why. Some people, like NJW, are not helping your cause.

Because the short term goals of the NJ pilots are for their pay and QOL. The long term goal is have the whole industry(fractional) to be under a union, preferably their union. This info is coming from the horses mouth. If the pilots win, I agree that this is going to be good for the entire industry, because nothing galvinizes people more then an underdog winning. To say that non-NJ pilots opinions are meaningless, well, thats just stupid.

 

[netjetwife]

Naturally, you are entitled to your own opinion, FracCapt. However, looking at my PMs from this and the ASAP board, shows that you are definitely in the minority when it comes to your judgment of me.

There are other NJ Wives out there that are following the labor dispute closely. Some of them even read this board, but do not post here because they don't care to be attacked for their views.

 

[h25b]

However, looking at my PMs from this and the ASAP board, shows that you are definitely in the minority when it comes to your judgment of me.

" I'm good enough, I'm smart enough and doggone it, people like me...." -Stuart Smalley (a.k.a netjetwife)

Stuart Smalley (a.k.a. netjetwife) is a caring nurturer, a member of several twelve-step programs, but NOT a licensed therapist.

 

[Duderino]

How are you guys gonna feel towards the Charter Pilots that are having to fly while y'all are striking. I am not looking forward to the increased work load. Hope you guys get what you ask for.

duder

 

[netjetwife]

Please don't "shoot the messenger!"

The timing of your question is good, as far as getting the latest information to come from the leadership of the NJ pilots. Just today, a clarification was made to settle the issue of mixed messages coming from the pilot group. The problem is that the discussion...probably in response to a question like yours....took on momentum before the IBT had given Local 1108 an official policy position. The first posts (from a few weeks ago?) on the subject were the right answer. As hard as it is to hear ( it isn't easy to post, either), if charter pilots fly NJ owners/px in a trip ARRANGED BY NJA then they are considered to be flying struck work, and will be viewed as Scabs. This will apply to ANY pilot flying a NJ transaction during the strike. The ONLY EXCEPTION is for those cases in which the OWNER has made personal/separate arrangements not involving NJA.

I don't know of any NJ pilot that WANTS a strike. Being WILLING, to stand up to the company's intimidation, is another matter. It is seen as a necessary evil in winning fair wages--one that it is widely hoped would be very short IF it were to happen. Duderino, could you explain the difficult situation--"between a rock and a hard place"--that you will be in if your employer chooses to take the extra work? Perhaps discuss it with the Chief Pilot?

There are risks for ALL of the pilots involved. However, the current pay scale for many pilots is so bad/unfair as to make the risk of striking and/or supporting a strike, a calculated risk that is worth taking. Likewise, securing fair wages for 2000+ pilots will surely change the pay environment for pilots across the industry. Doesn't it also follow, that the best way to ensure the strike is short-lived and successful is for it to receive maximum participation? After all, there IS a reason for the expression "safety in numbers".

Recognizing that these are tough times for ALL involved,
Netjetwife

 

[Fozzy]

I have been wondering how long it would take for that info to make it here. I just did not want to be the one to post it.

And it was just getting quiet.

 

[pilotyip]

wife, does this mean the flights flown by UAL, NWA and DAL that EAL booked on other airlines to move customers back in 1989, where flown by scabs?

 

[h25b]

The timing of your question is good, as far as getting the latest information to come from the leadership of the NJ pilots. Just today, a clarification was made to settle the issue of mixed messages coming from the pilot group. The problem is that the discussion...probably in response to a question like yours....took on momentum before the IBT had given Local 1108 an official policy position. The first posts (from a few weeks ago?) on the subject were the right answer. As hard as it is to hear ( it isn't easy to post, either), if charter pilots fly NJ owners/px in a trip ARRANGED BY NJA then they are considered to be flying struck work, and will be viewed as Scabs. This will apply to ANY pilot flying a NJ transaction during the strike. The ONLY EXCEPTION is for those cases in which the OWNER has made personal/separate arrangements not involving NJA.

I don't know of any NJ pilot that WANTS a strike. Being WILLING, to stand up to the company's intimidation, is another matter. It is seen as a necessary evil in winning fair wages--one that it is widely hoped would be very short IF it were to happen. Duderino, could you explain the difficult situation--"between a rock and a hard place"--that you will be in if your employer chooses to take the extra work? Perhaps discuss it with the Chief Pilot?

There are risks for ALL of the pilots involved. However, the current pay scale for many pilots is so bad/unfair as to make the risk of striking and/or supporting a strike, a calculated risk that is worth taking. Likewise, securing fair wages for 2000+ pilots will surely change the pay environment for pilots across the industry. Doesn't it also follow, that the best way to ensure the strike is short-lived and successful is for it to receive maximum participation? After all, there IS a reason for the expression "safety in numbers".

Recognizing that these are tough times for ALL involved,
Netjetwife

Nice move... This will go over great ... Perhaps the dumbest decision made by any aviation union to date (which speaks volumes!!!) ... Nice going guys . Noone will give a $h*t and pretty sure ALPA won't recognize this either. So congrats, you've just alienated yourselves from most every pilot outside NetJets. Hope you get a good contract because if this is for real this cuts both ways and you can forget about working anwhere else.

I've not seen the "scab-list" threat on here from any credible source. I know most of the NetJets pilots screen names on here. I know ALL screen names of the leadership that gets on here. Not one of them has ever mentioned anything about putting 135 guys on any list. I'm on the weekly leadership calls with the union. It's never been brought up there either. Some nameless, faceless rant on this board doesn't count. You getting your panties in a wad over it was exactly what that poster wanted to happen. Ever think it might have been a company stooge trying to make us look bad? Get over it - it isn't an issue. We don't have any plans to go after 135 guys doing their jobs.

Now what do have to say Grizz???

 

[Guitar Guy]

wife, does this mean the flights flown by UAL, NWA and DAL that EAL booked on other airlines to move customers back in 1989, where flown by scabs?

Lay off the messenger, pilotyip and h25b. Netjetswife didn't decide the policy, she simply posted it here because so many people were discussing this topic. If you are upset by this decision made by the union, take it up with them. Netjetswife did NOT make the decision on what is scabbing or "struck work", she simply posted it here so there wouldn't be any debate over what may or may not be scabbing should the NetJets situation culminate in a strike.

Let's hope it doesn't come to that because there will be a lot of damage both internal and external to NetJets and its pilot workforce.

 

[Fozzy]

I would not speak for ALPA. We are not to far off for them. And that came from a buddy that had quesitons and called the DALALPA MEC today. So don't speak about things you have no idea about.

I think everyone should get a beer and sit back and let things play out a bit. No need to go off the deep end. But I can not see that happening.

Guess it is time for CatPuke and NJAdispatch to join powers and bore us will all their bull$hit.