Strike Vote Called For at NetJets

[G100driver]

Work with us now and you will reap the benefits. Fly struck work and reap what you sew.

Starman, statements like this do not help you or cause in least. It is getting harder for me to say, but good luck. I say this because I have some very good friends who work at NetJets I would like them to have a secure future.

 

[Starman]

What do you NJ guys think the chances are that I will consider any of you after reading the idiocy of guys like Tony C and Starman?

If I remember correctly, Tony C is a Fed Ex guy.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

If I remember correctly, Tony C is a Fed Ex guy.

nothin' gets by Starman!

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[Starman]

Starman, statements like this do not help you or cause in least. It is getting harder for me to say, but good luck. I say this because I have some very good friends who work at NetJets I would like them to have a secure future.

Let's assume that we actually go out on strike. I'm supposed to be all lovey-dovey with a 135 pilot that is flying a trip chartered by Netjets to cover a flight that I would normally fly were it not for our strike? That 135 pilot is making it easier for Netjets to continue standing firm with their crappy last offer to the pilots because their customers are being taken care of. Honestly, I could care less what that 135 pilot thinks. He's taking money from me and my family at that point.

Anyone who flies a contracted flight for Netjets or Marquis during a legal strike by Netjets pilots is crossing a picket line and flying struck work. If they do that, it has long-term ramifications.

 

[Viffer]

If I remember correctly, Tony C is a Fed Ex guy.

Hmmm, that could explain his complete lack of understanding of how the non airline/union/frax aviation world works.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Let's assume that we actually go out on strike. I'm supposed to be all lovey-dovey with a 135 pilot that is flying a trip chartered by Netjets to cover a flight that I would normally fly were it not for our strike? That 135 pilot is making it easier for Netjets to continue standing firm with their crappy last offer to the pilots because their customers are being taken care of. Honestly, I could care less what that 135 pilot thinks. He's taking money from me and my family at that point.

Anyone who flies a contracted flight for Netjets or Marquis during a legal strike by Netjets pilots is crossing a picket line and flying struck work. If they do that, it has long-term ramifications.

So let me get THIS straight. Im supposed to be all lovey dovey with some tool who takes jobs in my industry at 1/3 the pay they should be. He's taking money from me and my family at that point.

really $ucks huh?

Good Luck!

 

[Viffer]

Let's assume that we actually go out on strike. I'm supposed to be all lovey-dovey with a 135 pilot that is flying a trip chartered by Netjets to cover a flight that I would normally fly were it not for our strike? That 135 pilot is making it easier for Netjets to continue standing firm with their crappy last offer to the pilots because their customers are being taken care of. Honestly, I could care less what that 135 pilot thinks. He's taking money from me and my family at that point.

Anyone who flies a contracted flight for Netjets or Marquis during a legal strike by Netjets pilots is crossing a picket line and flying struck work. If they do that, it has long-term ramifications.

Let's assume that you go on strike. Your passengers are put on airlines since there aren't enough extra 135 airplanes available. Are you going to go after the airline pilots because they are flying struck work and taking food off your table? You had better go and see what ALPA thinks of that one. Your position is illogical. I suggest that you rethink things when you can regain a clear head.

 

[Starman]

So let me get THIS straight. Im supposed to be all lovey dovey with some tool who takes jobs in my industry at 1/3 the pay they should be. Hes taking money from me and my family at that point.

really $ucks huh?

Good Luck!

Good job G-200, you just made it very easy for all the bystanders to really get an idea of what is really going on. You want Netjets pilots to fail no matter what because in your mind they ruined the corporate industry as you saw it 6-8 years ago. Nevermind that higher wages for Netjets pilots would help everyone out.

 

[h25b]

So let me get THIS straight. Im supposed to be all lovey dovey with some tool who takes jobs in my industry at 1/3 the pay they should be. Hes taking money from me and my family at that point.

really $ucks huh?

Good Luck!

THEY DON'T GET IT ..

Good job G-200, you just made it very easy for all the bystanders to really get an idea of what is really going on. You want Netjets pilots to fail no matter what because in your mind they ruined the corporate industry as you saw it 6-8 years ago. Nevermind that higher wages for Netjets pilots would help everyone out.

I think it's a bit late for your saviors of the industry routine and the only thing being made obvious to bystanders is how naive you truely are...

Perhaps you could shed some light on exactly how you're going to enforce this scablisting idea... Come up to my aircraft and you'll get a tailstand in the teeth ...

Good night...

 

[Starman]

Let's assume that you go on strike. Your passengers are put on airlines since there aren't enough extra 135 airplanes available. Are you going to go after the airline pilots because they are flying struck work and taking food off your table? You had better go and see what ALPA thinks of that one. Your position is illogical. I suggest that you rethink things when you can regain a clear head.

Yeah I can see that happening.

"Good afternoon Mr, & Mrs. Gotbucks. I'm sorry but our pilots are on strike. We'd like to take you from Monterey to Aspen today as you contracted us to do but we're unable to comply with that. We have been able to book you from Monterey to Chicago on a United red eye and then work a flight into Aspen the following day on Air Wisconsin. You leave tonight at 5 PM and get into Aspen tomorrow afternoon about 3 PM."

That'll go over well. Get real.

 

[h25b]

Yeah I can see that happening.

"Good afternoon Mr, & Mrs. Gotbucks. I'm sorry but our pilots are on strike. We'd like to take you from Monterey to Aspen today as you contracted us to do but we're unable to comply with that. We have been able to book you from Monterey to Chicago on a United red eye and then work a flight into Aspen the following day on Air Wisconsin. You leave tonight at 5 PM and get into Aspen tomorrow afternoon about 3 PM."

That'll go over well. Get real.

Do you really think there's enough 135 lift to support NetJets during a strike? I think you're the one that needs to get real...

 

[Starman]

Perhaps you could shed some light on exactly how you're going to enforce this scablisting idea... Come up to my aircraft and you'll get a tailstand in the teeth ...

Good night...

The Local 1108 leadership has been in contact with the IBT on this issue. If it comes to pass, rest assured that our AFL-CIO brothers at ALPA will recognize our list of pilots that flew struck work.

 

[Ace-of-the-Base]

Sorry to post again, but this is really entertaining.

Here are your options:

1. NetJets uses 135 to cover owner trips. It costs them LOTS of money and they fold quickly.

2. Nobody flies your owners. It costs NetJets (your company) lots of money and they loose some (or many) clients.

In 1, you win and your clients don't get stranded. In 2, you may win, but the clients get screw'd and there may be layoffs and downsizing. (2 is also good for us 91 guys, now we can tell guys that are thinking about going fractional that this possibility of owning a fracitonal share and getting stranded is another reason to buy your own plane).
Now, you've already shown that you are willing to have the 135 pilots loose their jobs or reputations for your cause, and now you're also willing to sell the clients (who have done NOTHING to you) down the road too. Nice, really nice.

Any comment NJAowner

Ace

 

[FamilyGuy]

Good job G-200, you just made it very easy for all the bystanders to really get an idea of what is really going on. You want Netjets pilots to fail no matter what because in your mind they ruined the corporate industry as you saw it 6-8 years ago. Nevermind that higher wages for Netjets pilots would help everyone out.

Most bystanders already have a good idea what's going on after reading the ramblings and idle threats from yourself, NetJetWife, and others on this board. After reading through all this its readily apparent why unions have been declining in the US for over 30 years.

 

[h25b]

The Local 1108 leadership has been in contact with the IBT on this issue. If it comes to pass, rest assured that our AFL-CIO brothers at ALPA will recognize our list of pilots that flew struck work.

I'm starting to come to the conclusion that this is a really empty threat due to the fact that you (along with anyone else) can't come up with an answer on how you're going to get the names of these so-called scabs... Even if it was possible to sit on a ramp and determine when "struck work" was taking place there's still no way to figure out who the crews were ... Care to shed some light on this one or should I just continue to assume you're full of it ???

Even IF you could identify a NetJets owner getting off some non-QS tail there's no way to get the names of the crew OR know whether the aircraft was chartered by NetJets or the individual owner...

PLEASE ANSWER THIS QUESTION STARMAN ...

 

[Viffer]

Yeah I can see that happening.

"Good afternoon Mr, & Mrs. Gotbucks. I'm sorry but our pilots are on strike. We'd like to take you from Monterey to Aspen today as you contracted us to do but we're unable to comply with that. We have been able to book you from Monterey to Chicago on a United red eye and then work a flight into Aspen the following day on Air Wisconsin. You leave tonight at 5 PM and get into Aspen tomorrow afternoon about 3 PM."

That'll go over well. Get real.

So answer the question. When your owners are put on airline flights, and they WILL be put on airline flights, are you going to call those airline pilots scabs? How do you think ALPA will view your position? The reality is that there are a lot of shareholders who are going to need to travel, and since there isn't enough charter it's going to be planes trains and automobiles as your management tries to kiss butt to keep them happy during a strike. If you think that they are just going to stay in one place when you strike your living in a fantasy world.

How do you answer the question?

 

[Starman]

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[Gulfstream 200]

The Local 1108 leadership has been in contact with the IBT on this issue. If it comes to pass, rest assured that our AFL-CIO brothers at ALPA will recognize our list of pilots that flew struck work.

Now Im getting worried..

you mean one wont qualify for an AFL-CIO "brother" job flying a citation for 24K/yr?

or maybe one wont qualify to fly an ALPO "brother" job on a RJ for 18K/yr?

gee....how can I get me some of that protection "brother"?

 

[h25b]

You're assuming that we don't know what screening method Netjets uses to approve vendor aircraft? You're assuming that we don't have access to the list of vendors that provide supplemental lift for Netjets? You're assuming that the screening information for those companies including pilot names isn't available to us?

I'm telling you that we have that info. How are your assumptions now?

Thanks, just the information I was looking for. This will be great, class action law-suits against NetJets, IBT, Wyvern, ARGUS, etc...

I already knew the possible outlets for that information and I appreciate you posting that on public forum.

 

[Starman]

So answer the question. When your owners are put on airline flights, and they WILL be put on airline flights, are you going to call those airline pilots scabs? How do you think ALPA will view your position? The reality is that there are a lot of shareholders who are going to need to travel, and since there isn't enough charter it's going to be planes trains and automobiles as your management tries to kiss butt to keep them happy during a strike. If you think that they are just going to stay in one place when you strike your living in a fantasy world.

How do you answer the question?

Netjets will go to any lengths to avoid a true public dog-fight in which owners are inconvenienced. The fact that supplemental lift won't cover the normal demand will force the company to deal with us. Discouraging 135 pilots from taking struck work is part of our plan to force that issue.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

You're assuming that we don't know what screening method Netjets uses to approve vendor aircraft? You're assuming that we don't have access to the list of vendors that provide supplemental lift for Netjets? You're assuming that the screening information for those companies including pilot names isn't available to us?

I'm telling you that we have that info. How are your assumptions now?

keep up the Union bully talk man, all its doing is alienating you furthur. The industry (and your employer) knows this. Not very effective.

I will give your fellow NJ pilots the benefit of the doubt that they are much smarter than you...


goodnight Starman.

 

[Starman]

Thanks, just the information I was looking for. This will be great, class action law-suits against NetJets, IBT, Wyvern, ARGUS, etc...

I already knew the possible outlets for that information and I appreciate you posting that on public forum.

You posted a bunch of names. I never did. Good luck with your empty threats.

 

[Viffer]

Come on Starman, are ALPA airline pilots going to be scabs for flying your shareholders? I want to hear your view on this.

 

[Corona]

The Local 1108 leadership has been in contact with the IBT on this issue. If it comes to pass, rest assured that our AFL-CIO brothers at ALPA will recognize our list of pilots that flew struck work.

So you and the local 1108 are going to start writing checks for all those Brother 135 non-union pilots who get fired for not flying Netjets charters?

How will you afford this when you are on strike and not getting paid?

Will these "loyal" pilots have first-hire rights at NJA when the dust settles?

These would be fairly easy answers if the original premise to your argument made any sense whatsoever.

C

PS: Good luck getting crew names from private 135 companies. I'm sure they'll Fedex that info to you overnight, and at their expense, if you just mention the Teamsters.

 

[h25b]

You posted a bunch of names. I never did. Good luck with your empty threats.

You're the one needing the luck... Publicly claiming to have access to confidential information for the union's purposes of slander ... I doubt it, but still stupid for you to claim ...

 

[Corona]

gee....how can I get me some of that protection "brother"?

Easy: Stop up your ears, close your eyes and swallow whatever comes...

C

 

[Starman]

keep up the Union bully talk man, all its doing is alienating you furthur. The industry (and your employer) knows this. Not very effective.

You were never supportive of us. Nothing I have said, nor the union's position on this issue would change your mind one iota. You're a lost cause.

For the other people reading this thread:

There are a large number of ALPA members that are on furlough from a major flying 135 charter and are getting close to being recalled. How many of those guys and gals are going to be willing to risk flying struck work?

 

[Starman]

You're the one needing the luck... Publicly claiming to have access to confidential information for the union's purposes of slander ... I doubt it, but still stupid for you to claim ...

If I'm not mistaken, some of that information is available to anyone willing to subscribe. Not too confidential it seems.

 

[johnny taliban]

Starman,
answer the question. Are these airline pilots gonna be called scabs or not??

 

[h25b]

There are a large number of ALPA members that are on furlough from a major and are getting close to being recalled. How many of those guys and gals are going to be willing to risk flying struck work?

Who in the world is getting close to recall ??? American, Delta, United ??? Lord please don't say USAirways !!! Geez man this proves beyond a shadow of doubt you're clueless about the industry. I've got several friends that have used their AA seniority numbers for toilet paper, not worth the paper it's written on... Heck, Continental has already recalled everyone, so tell me who's close to getting recall...

Yeah buddy, you're likely to find legions of current union lovers in that crowd. Ask any TWA/AA dude ...

If I'm not mistaken

If you think it's legal for them to disclose pilot's names to your union, yes you are mistaken...