Strike/Netjets

[jetwash]

NJ will never hire scab pilots. So don't worry about that.

The cost train them would be more than if they settled a contract.

What kind of job would it be for a scab pilot after any strike when everyone know who he is and has to fly and live with someone for 7 days and nights.
The job would be pure hell for any scab pilot, so that won't even be an issue.

The issue is to stick together to get the best contract you can.

 

[avbug]

"I like arrogance in a pilot."

A movie quote from a nonpilot actor. Correct?

I know that a majority of our PAX won't want to fly with a hastilly hired and trained Scab Air Force.

In fact they do not even want to ride on the plane when our SICs move the controls. Many insist that the Captain fly the trip and have filed complaints and asked Why was the Captain not flying my trip.

Interesting. Hastily trained...how long were you trained? Your replacement may be trained just as quickly...and just how does the customer know this? You're concerned about the customer worrying about who in which seat is doing what...but pilots wearing the same uniform, flying the airplane the same as you do now...are indistinguishable. The passenger doesn't know the difference, only you do. How is the passenger to know that it's not just another run of the mill pilot up front? Truth, the passenger doesn't know. Just you.

The truth? You are replacable. Never forget that.

And in a multi-place aircraft, there are only three things the copilot
should ever say:

1. Nice landing, Sir.
2. I'll buy the first round.
3. I'll take the fat chick.

I realize that your post is tongue-in-cheek, but I've met far too many arrogant pilots in my career that looked at a copilot or first officer as baggage, who believed that the copilot didn't shoulder any legal, moral, or practical responsibility, and that the copilot is there to make the captain look good. Lots of folks out there like that today, and the attitude makes me sick...and violently angry. I don't treat my copilots like that, and I'd sure like to urinate on those who do.

2. You can't fly forever without getting killed.

Far from a truth, a foolish notion. The truth is that you may fly the most statistically-dangerous missions in the world for life and not get hurt or killed. The truth is also that you may be killed on your first sortie. The resignation that one will eventually buy the farm if one flies long enough is submission to a sense of fate; it's giving up, and by it's very nature, is insanity.

7 The pilot is the highest form of life on earth.

Only in terms of physical altitude, or the bar when a few get together and start drinking. Pilots are individuals, but I'd put about 90% of the pilot population on the bottom rungs as far as quality of character and value on the humanity scale. The other ten percent are okay.

9. About check rides:
a. The only real objective of a check ride is to complete it and get the
bxxtard out of your airplane.
b. It has never occurred to any flight examiner that the examinee
couldn't care less what the examiner's opinion of his flying ability really
is.

The only goal during a checkride or practical test should be to impress. Not to pass; anybody can do that. But to impress. Anything less should always be unacceptable. I do care what the check airman's opinion is. It's a reflection of another's view of my performance, it's a reality check, and it's a way of viewing another's criticism to seek ways to improve. Yes, I do care.

15. If you're gonna fly low, do not fly slow!

Some of us would never get any work done if that were true. How about if you have no business flying low, then don't get slow. Otherwise, the airplane is there to be worked. Work it.

21. The concept of "controlling" airspace with radar is just a form of FAA
sarcasm directed at pilots to see if they're gullible enough to swallow it.
Or to put it another way, when's the last time the FAA ever shot anyone
down?

When your pilot certificate is suspended, you won't need to make cute comments about being shot down. The Administrator needn't shoot you down to control you.

22. Remember that the radio is only an electronic suggestion box for the
pilot. Sometimes the only way to clear up a problem is to turn it off.

The radio is a tool, and an important one...but only a tool. Turning it off doesn't clear up any problems, however, any more than turning your back and walking away during a conversation.

25. Mastering the prohibited maneuvers in the Aircraft's Operations Manual
is one of the best forms of aviation life insurance you can get.

Perhaps if one is talking about the best way to end one's life in an airplane...do you suggest that practicing and mastering all the maneuvers which are prohibited in the airplane provides one some measure of safety or insurance against mishap? If that's true, then perhaps it's also true that if one lives long enough one will eventually die in an airplane...but dying in an airplane isn't necessary so long as one doesn't do stupid things like mastering prohibited maneuvers.

 

[AirBear8]

In fact they do not even want to ride on the plane when our SICs move the controls. Many insist that the Captain fly the trip and have filed complaints and asked Why was the Captain not flying my trip.

How does NetJets do IOE's? At Part 121 airlines I've often wondered what the pax in the back would think if they knew they were on a training flight.

 

[El Chupacabra]

A movie quote from a nonpilot actor. Correct?

Interesting. Hastily trained...how long were you trained? Your replacement may be trained just as quickly...and just how does the customer know this? You're concerned about the customer worrying about who in which seat is doing what...but pilots wearing the same uniform, flying the airplane the same as you do now...are indistinguishable. The passenger doesn't know the difference, only you do. How is the passenger to know that it's not just another run of the mill pilot up front? Truth, the passenger doesn't know. Just you.

The truth? You are replacable. Never forget that.

This company seems to take about 6 months to train and release a X PIC. They don't have 6 months. I don't think they would have a week. They cannot cancel flights. Additionally, how many X simulators are available to run 24/7, and how long will it take to use these sims to punch out 400 X-rated pilots? How much will it cost to type 400 pilots?

How will THEY know: WSJ ads, billboards right next the major FBOs. Picket lines. They will know.

The truth... replaceable... not in time to avoid severe financial losses and as Publishers correctly pointed out -- a crippling exodus of customers....

Its better for everybody if they just pay.

 

[El Chupacabra]

How does NetJets do IOE's? At Part 121 airlines I've often wondered what the pax in the back would think if they knew they were on a training flight.

SICs fly the empty legs and receive IOE on those legs. They then fly hundreds of hours before they ever do PIC IOE. Its a training flight but on a plane you have hundreds of hours Flying from the LEFT seat. Yes thats right. SICs fly their legs from the Left seat.

So really even though its IOE, generally the IOE pilot has hundreds if not over 1000 hours in the plane... when he does his first Pax leg. AHHH but this will not be the case if a Scab Air Force takes my place....

 

[J3 Guy]

Gee.......4 days later and almost 2400 veiws. All I did was post a simple question.Everyone replied quicker than flies landing on a fresh roadkill.
I do not fly fractional and trying to keep it that way, Im just an old Cub Driver, might go into crop dusting, a proffesion without upset pilots.
Is there anyone that actually enjoys flying for Netjets?

Cub Guy

 

[niteflyr]

Yes!

Yes, I enjoy flying for NJA and by far the majority of those I fly with enjoy flying for NJA. I believe the underlying point is a warning to prospective new hires so they know what they have coming and don't set thieir expectations too high. If I were on FO pay for the past 3.5 years I would never have stuck around, no matter how much I enjoy the job.

 

[Grizz]

We had 15 pilots quit in January and so far in February we're up to 10 that have bailed. That's with an expectation of a fairly large retro check / signing bonus and they're still quitting. That should tell you something right there.

The company was able to get 20 pilots to stay in training in January. I haven't seen the February numbers yet. One of the applicants posted on this board that at the most recent job fair he attended, the NetJets table looked like a ghost town while all others had lines. Knowing that we're at least 400 pilots short right now, How long will it take them to get there with a net gain of 5 pilots a month?

The company has to get this contract done for more reasons than just worrying about a strike. They can't recruit enough qualified applicants right now - what makes you think things will be easier if we go out on strike?

 

[G4dude]

Warning

I am a G4 driver for NJI, and my observations are as follows.

We do many trips for owners who fly on both sides of the company, and their comments about the lack of professionalism of the A side are manifold. I believe, if there is a strike, the owners will back Santulli, and accept the inconvenience of the transition to a non-union workplace. I know we at NJI would enthusiastically help keep things going, as the behavior of the malevolent twenty percent of NJA union hard liners is disgraceful.
Why don't the NJA pilots, most of whom are good people, flush the union, deal with Santulli on their own, and see what happens? If the results are not satisfactory, a new union could always be formed. We at NJI are very happy with how we are treated, and feel the NJA folks would be too!
I will now brace myself for the scathing attacks to follow.

 

[Grim Reaper]

G4dude, No need to worry about the bashing. It is just empty noise. Remember, the 20% you speak of are the same ones who said the recently departed MEC would bring them the CONTRACT to END all CONTRACTS and make NJA the Delta of the Fractional. Well, looks to me like these guys are just FARTING into the WIND. The resounding defeat of the TA speaks volumes about the control exercised by management. "IF AN OWNER CAN AFFORD TO BE IN A FRACTIONAL, THAT SAME OWNER CAN AFFORD NOT TO BE IN A FRACTIONAL."

The NEW MEC ain't done nothing except get elected. Yeah, a lot of back slaping and hand shaking but NOTHING, NADDA, ZIP so far and MEDIATION IS THE WORD OF THE DAY.