Strike/Netjets

[El Chupacabra]

We don't hate anyone.

We are simply ridiculing the ideas suggested that our company could run this place without us by hiring Scabs replacement pilots or by simply chartering 100% of our trips.

The main intent of the troll who started this thread was to sugest that I better not vote to strike otherwise he'll come and take my job....

 

[J3 Guy]

What is a troll? I might have one of those digging up the ground around the hanger.
About the strike,Maybe I will check the situation over in June/July but on the other hand I cant work for J3 Cub/Netjet wages.

J3 Guy

 

[Live4flyng]

These " industries" are more similar than you would like to admit. How many people do you think are coming to NJA now because they have other options? I would guess most of your new hires are furloughed major and regional pilots with no place else to go. And the rest are those with an ATP and a pulse willing to work for substandard pay.

As it was mentioned in another post, the owners will probably be on the side of management (that is who they are).
Go on strike, maybe some of those high paying corporate pilot jobs that went to the "underpaid Frac pilots willing to work for peanuts (or left over catering) will return to the private sector.

Read my post again da90drivr. There is nothing similar about an RJ pilot that isn't qualified to be hired. I wasn't talking about furloughed or retired major airline pilots. As far as the strike comment, we may just have to! Have a nice day.

 

[Hawk Driver]

You may be right, However my corporate job has now transitioned to a 135 operator, We already do netjet contract stuff. Somebody would have to check the numbers, but there is probably already enough supplemental lift in place to make any strike difficult to succeed.

There isn't enough supplemental lift in the entire country to cover what we fly on our busiest days. I know for a fact that our charter people cannot accomodate all of the sell-off we have on many days. Our company has a list of "approved" vendors we use for sell-off, not everyone makes it on the list...

HD

 

[Hawk Driver]

BTW, I can't believe that everyone is getting so worked up over what J3 started here. He came here to stir the pot and everyone is playing right into him... We are all very passionate about the contract and it shows in the responses. Just slow down and realize J3 is a troll like someone else pointed out.

HD

 

[PseudoName]

Contrary to what you think, our passengers hate when their trips are sold off. In fact, many of them threaten to get out of the program if the company sells off their flight one more time. Do you still enjoy working for Netjets? Enjoy it while it lasts.

Hey, not to get in a pi$$ing match with you. However, I believe our operation might be an exception to the rule. Every 9 out of 10 flights we fly for Net Jets, your passengers always comment on how our airplanes are not "beat up" like the QS planes.

Sure, NJA could pull the plug, go ahead, there is plenty of business out there...maybe for a company who pays their bills on time. NJA is consistently late with every payment.

 

[El Chupacabra]

I had the problem of them paying late too... until I caved in and got the company credit card.

 

[smellthejeta]

You think NetJet pilots will be replaced by scabs??? Nope, all your flights will be covered by contract vendors who are already doing the majority of your work.

Go ahead, strike, your passengers like having an airplane that is not beat up and a crew that enjoys who they work for.

You got any hard numbers for that? From my observations, on an average day, NetJets (including the GIV/GV) probably flies over 90% of their flights. EJM planes will pick up some of the slack, and every now and then they'll use contract venders. "Peak travel days" are a different story, and you'll see much, much more contracts vendors flying their trips.

CitationShares on the other hand... On this side of the country, I see more vendor trips than I do see actual CS planes.

 

[EngineOut]

Just STRIKE. Screw it.

 

[AirBear8]

What kind of payscale will you guys be looking for in a new contract. I know that 100K at year five is a big point, but what kind of F/O payscale is the union asking for.

Thanks

The failed TA had F/O base pay rates starting at $33500 ($39K for reserve schedule) going up to $38540 (44040) by year 5. Year 5 Captain's pay was $69000 base, $80000 for reserve. Base pay for Captains didn't go over $100K until year 12, and then only for the larger jets. 82% of the pilots voted this down. So I would expect a new TA to have better rates than this.

I'm impressed with the solidarity the NJA pilots have. Much better than the ALPA represented airlines I've been at. There's a chance the Republican Administration would order a Presidential Emergency Board to delay a strike and possibly impose a contract, but I think they'd have a hard time justifying it since there wouldn't be a "major" disruption to the nation's air travel.

But I would expect the contract talks to go right up to a strike deadline, that's just the nature of these things.

AirBear

 

[Grizz]

Let's see -

Warren Buffett is a major contributor to the democratic party. Do you really think W is going to jump in and help him solve a labor dispute? Not likely...

 

[jetwash]

The people we fly have lots of friends in high places and if they don't want their pilots to strike they will just delay it and draw it out as long as they want using the government agancies as they desire.

The pilots have to all stick together now to get anything done.

 

[AirBear8]

Let's see -

Warren Buffett is a major contributor to the democratic party. Do you really think W is going to jump in and help him solve a labor dispute? Not likely...

Good point, but as jetwash posted the people that use NJA have connections but I doubt they're strong enough to get Presidential intervention to help a company owned by Buffett. If I remember correctly, the Mediator has to suggest a PEB. If he doesn't there's not many ways for the government to stop a strike. With Comair a PEB was not done because the Mediator didn't back it.

AirBear

 

[avbug]

A big reason big money is paid for this program is because I AM THE CAPTAIN on the trip... not some Bozo Scab who crossed a picket line last week during a Strike cause thats the only way he could get hired or upgraded...

Wow. That was arrogant, don't you think?

 

[gray eagle]

I do not pretend to understand the dynamics of the current NJA pilot labor contract negotiations nor should anyone not directly associated with those negotiations. I do understand that any discussion of self-help (labor actions) authorized or otherwise is premature and, frankly foolish. The probability of a labor group being released from mediation to self-help under the current administration is nil.

 

[gray eagle]

El Chupacabra, This one is for you.

The A-4M, a great craft. Time to lighten things up guys.

Pilot Truths

The only three things a wingman should ever say are:

1. Two's up.
2. Lead, you're on fire.
3. I'll take the fat chick.

And in a multi-place aircraft, there are only three things the copilot
should ever say:

1. Nice landing, Sir.
2. I'll buy the first round.
3. I'll take the fat chick.

--------------------------------

About Pilots

1. As an aviator in flight you can do anything you want... As long as it's
right... And they will let you know if it's right after you get down.

2. You can't fly forever without getting killed.

3. As a pilot only two bad things can happen to you and one of them will:
a. One day you will walk out to the aircraft knowing that it is your last
flight.
b. One day you will walk out to the airplane not knowing that it was your
last flight.

4. Any flight over water in a single engine airplane will absolutely
guarantee abnormal engine noises and vibrations.

5. There are Rules and there are Laws. The Rules are made by men who think
that they know how to fly your airplane better than you. The Laws (of
Physics) were made by the Great One. You can, and sometimes should, suspend the Rules but you can never suspend the Laws.

6. More about Rules:
a. The rules are a good place to hide if you don't have a better idea
and the talent to execute it.
b. If you deviate from a rule, it must be a flawless performance. (e.g.,
if you fly under a bridge, don't hit the bridge.)

7 The pilot is the highest form of life on earth.

8. The ideal pilot is the perfect blend of discipline and aggressiveness.

9. About check rides:
a. The only real objective of a check ride is to complete it and get the
bxxtard out of your airplane.
b. It has never occurred to any flight examiner that the examinee
couldn't care less what the examiner's opinion of his flying ability really
is.

10. The medical profession is the natural enemy of the aviation profession.

11. The job of the Wing Commander is to worry incessantly that his career
depends solely on the abilities of his aviators to fly their airplanes
without mishap and that their only minuscule contribution to the effort is
to bet their lives on it.

12. Ever notice that the only experts who decree that the age of the pilot
is over are people who have never flown anything? Also, in spite of the
intensity of their feelings that the pilot's day is over I know of no such
expert who has volunteered to be a passenger in a non-piloted aircraft.

13. It is absolutely imperative that the pilot be unpredictable.
Rebelliousness is very predictable. In the end, conforming almost all the
time is the best way to be unpredictable.

14. He who demands everything that his aircraft can give him is a pilot; he
that demands one iota more is a fool.

15. If you're gonna fly low, do not fly slow!

16. It is solely the pilot's responsibility to never let any other thing
touch his aircraft.

17. If you can learn how to fly as a 2nd Lt and not forget how to fly by the
time you're a Major you will have lived a happy life.

18. About night flying:
a. Remember that the airplane doesn't know that it's dark.
b. On a clear, moonless night, never fly between the tanker's lights.
c. There are certain aircraft sounds that can only be heard at night.
d. If you're going to fly at night, it might as well be in the weather
so you can double count your exposure to both hazards.
e. Night formation is really an endless series of near misses in
equilibrium with each other.
f. You would have to pay a lot of money, at a lot of amusement parks,
and perhaps add a few non-prescription drugs, to get the same blend of
psychedelic sensations as a single-engine night weather formation flight.

19. One of the most important skills that a pilot must develop is the skill
to ignore those things that were designed by non-pilots to get the pilot's
attention.

20. At the end of the day, the controllers, ops supervisors, maintenance
guys, weather guessers, and birds are all trying to kill you and your job is
to not let them!

21. The concept of "controlling" airspace with radar is just a form of FAA
sarcasm directed at pilots to see if they're gullible enough to swallow it.
Or to put it another way, when's the last time the FAA ever shot anyone
down?

22. Remember that the radio is only an electronic suggestion box for the
pilot. Sometimes the only way to clear up a problem is to turn it off.

23. It is a tacit, yet profound, admission of the preeminence of flying in
the hierarchy of the human spirit that those who seek to control aviators
via threats always threaten to take one's wings and not one's life.

24. Remember when flying low and inverted that the rudder still works the
same old way but hopefully your IP never taught you "pull stick back, plane
go up".

25. Mastering the prohibited maneuvers in the Aircraft's Operations Manual
is one of the best forms of aviation life insurance you can get.

26. A tactic done twice is a procedure. (Refer to unpredictability
discussion above)

27. The aircraft G-limits are only there in case there is another flight by
that particular airplane. If subsequent flights by that aircraft do not
appear likely, there are no G-limits.

28. One of the beautiful things about a single piloted aircraft is the
quality of the social experience.

29. If a mother has the slightest suspicion that her infant might grow up to
be a pilot, she had better teach him to put things back where he got them.

30. The ultimate responsibility of the pilot is to fulfill the dreams of the
countless millions of earthbound ancestors who could only stare skyward
...and wish. Amen

 

[Kingairrick]

If you guys strike, does that mean that you'll stop b!tching all day in the pilot lounge so the rest of us can sleep? I support your cause, but take it private guys...

J3 cracks me up. Got to be one of the best trolls ever.

 

[Diesel]

I agree with you about J3

The pilots lounge is for bitching and watching tv.

The snooze lounge is for sleeping.

 

[Grizz]

I do not pretend to understand the dynamics of the current NJA pilot labor contract negotiations nor should anyone not directly associated with those negotiations. I do understand that any discussion of self-help (labor actions) authorized or otherwise is premature and, frankly foolish. The probability of a labor group being released from mediation to self-help under the current administration is nil.

Let me make sure I'm understanding your post. You first state that you have no clue about what is going on with our negotiations or the mediator assigned to us. Then you come out with an opinion on how we're never going to get released without any factual basis to back it up. Good job old bird...very informative post. Maybe you could give us your opinion on who shot Kennedy next. Sheesh...

 

[El Chupacabra]

Wow. That was arrogant, don't you think?

"I like arrogance in a pilot."

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To illustrate my point...

I know that a majority of our PAX won't want to fly with a hastilly hired and trained Scab Air Force.

In fact they do not even want to ride on the plane when our SICs move the controls. Many insist that the Captain fly the trip and have filed complaints and asked Why was the Captain not flying my trip.

This at a company where the average new hire has 9000 hours and many either military jet or retired or furloughed major airline time.

It is important to them who flies their trip.

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