Strike/Netjets

[Grim Reaper]

Grim Reaper, I agree. By the way, what do you think of dumping the union, negotiating with Santulli, and see what happens? Works for us at NJI!

I have been around the block a few times. I have seen MEC members come and go. Each time a new MEC comes in there is great fan fare but not much action. Managements digs in a bit deeper with every new MEC. Yeah, I know there is there rare UNINTED deal but, as we have seen, it does not last long. The average United 73 captain is making about 110K. So, you Ultra guys want 150k. The math is bad and sad.

Negotiating with Santulli? Why think about something that ain't gonna happen. Just remember, "the OWNER THAT CAN AFFORD TO BE IN A FRACTIONAL CAN AFFORD NOT TO BE IN A FRACTIONAL." It is all about what the owner is willing to pay. Is the average owner willing to pay 4.5 pilots per acft 150K per Year? No! and what part of NO are you NJA guys having trouble with?

Just how many pilots in any corporate shop are making the dollars you guys expect? One out of the three pilots employed. Heck, the average private owner only has one or maybe two full time guys while relying on CONTRACT guys for the rest. CONTRACT GUYS -- JUST A DAILY RATE TWO OR THREE DAYS A MONTH WITH NO BENEFITS, ETC.

 

[Diesel]

Why is 150k unreasonable for an Ultra pilot? Because you say so? The airlines are losing money. We're making a ton. Throws that out the window.

If santulli can't afford to pay us what we want then just shut it down. If an owner can't afford to have a well paid professional crew up front then he shouldn't be in this buisness.

G200 will probably chime in here and I'd like him to. We work a lot harder day in and day out. In the ultra I did 5 legs a day 10-14hrs a day for a whole week. When's the last time a corporate pilot did that?

Remember oranges to oranges. We are not corporate pilots and we are not airline pilots.

We are fractional pilots. Period and we WILL set the industry leading pay.

 

[bluepost]

G4Dude...I can see how that view from the NJI side of the fence could make sense, but from our side it looks a bit different. Santulli will not give us a 50k a year raise if we vote out the union, no way, no how, even with work rule concessions. Now he may not give it to the union either, but at least there is a chance to fight back and try and help protect pilot wages from erosion with a union.


Like Grim says, these folks are going to fly on jets with or without Netjets around, and chances are they will pay more than NJ is willing to pay. So I know it sounds dramatic, but shut this place down and let them buy thier own aircraft and hire me to fly thier X for 110k a year, or pay us 125k for the extra 50 RONs and extra 200 hours we fly a year here.

In my view we have already landed at Omaha beach and your asking us to retreat and go back to diplomatic discussions with Hitler. It is easy to forget as a relative outsider how long and how hard we have fought to this point. This battle is not new and we have just gained a small foothold imo...no turning back now.

We are fighting this fight for us, AND ALL pilots out there. I hope every pilot in every industry benefits from this fight, because if we lose they will surely feel the downward pressure of our loss. ("NJ fought for 4 years for 80k a year? Why am I paying you 110k? You only flew 300 hours, they fly 500 hours....etc...")

 

[Rattler71]

Why is 150k unreasonable for an Ultra pilot? Because you say so? The airlines are losing money. We're making a ton. Throws that out the window.

$150,000 a year! ROTFLMFAO

 

[Diesel]

150k is funny? Your not still working for rattler because that's the funny part.

Oh and we're not a freight company either

 

[Rattler71]

$150,000 a year! ROTFLMFAO

I want whatever drugs you guys are taking that makes you think you are getting $150,000 a year. Please, Please share!

And btw, we fly hundreds of passenger charters a year. Since you are so uninformed.

Rattler

 

[Diesel]

Why is that so absurd? Because your not making it or because you never asked for it. You have no idea what we do but you feel the need to interject your opinion?

 

[J3 Guy]

Heck...om a type rated J3 pilot...I should make 80K a year if a Ultra driver can make 150K, and thats without an autopilot or an eletrical system.

Cub guy

 

[da90drivr]

Well, with the bar resting on the floor anything you get would be industry leading.
As to working harder you knew what you signed up for when you signed the training contract. Did you think the company was going to let you sit in Cancun for your 7 day tour.

Why is 150k unreasonable for an Ultra pilot? Because you say so? The airlines are losing money. We're making a ton. Throws that out the window.

If santulli can't afford to pay us what we want then just shut it down. If an owner can't afford to have a well paid professional crew up front then he shouldn't be in this buisness.

G200 will probably chime in here and I'd like him to. We work a lot harder day in and day out. In the ultra I did 5 legs a day 10-14hrs a day for a whole week. When's the last time a corporate pilot did that?

Remember oranges to oranges. We are not corporate pilots and we are not airline pilots.

We are fractional pilots. Period and we WILL set the industry leading pay.

 

[Rattler71]

Why is that so absurd? Because your not making it or because you never asked for it. You have no idea what we do but you feel the need to interject your opinion?

Well, I do have some idea of what you do. I have been flying in this industry for 27 years. And this is a public forum and the good ol USA, so yes, I am entitled to an opinion.

I hope you do get $150,000 a year. But it will never happen. I wouldn't go out and buy that new Corvette yet if I were you.

I think you should quit taking those uppers and downers you so proudly advertise.

 

[Diesel]

oh crap it will never happen!!! I should just give up and roll friggin over and maybe i should pay the company to work. yeah that's the idea.

Thanks for the support though. enjoy airnow

 

[buttercup]

oh crap it will never happen!!! I should just give up and roll friggin over and maybe i should pay the company to work. yeah that's the idea.

Thanks for the support though. enjoy airnow

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I wouldn't be suprised.. You are just happy to be flying a jet

 

[Diesel]

it's all about me me me me me me me me. I'm flying a jet who cares about the pay or work rules.

 

[Rattler71]

I think the pay you guys get is way on the low side. But I do think that asking for $150,000 is just unrealistic. The flying you do is no harder nor requires any more skill than most of the other guys on this board flying for a living. I think it is the arrogance that some of you(fracs) pilots are displaying that turns people off.

Rattler71

 

[Diesel]

Hey AS214 we're asking for tooo much. RTS might not be able to buy that other horse or another house. Dear god call the union and have them revamp our pay request. We need to work for less not more. Please god don't ask for too much money.

So because we are asking for too much money we're turning people off? Man i wonder if united had that problem. ha haaaa

Oh you might want to tell G200 and GVflyer they are getting too much money.

 

[buttercup]

Hey AS214 we're asking for tooo much. RTS might not be able to buy that other horse or another house. Dear god call the union and have them revamp our pay request. We need to work for less not more. Please god don't ask for too much money.

So because we are asking for too much money we're turning people off? Man i wonder if united had that problem. ha haaaa

Oh you might want to tell G200 and GVflyer they are getting too much money.

LOL.. You know what the sad thing is..people in this industry have been beat down and conditioned for so long that they think 150K is good money.. sad... I don't know where that mindset came into play in this industry.. Why do some feel that making good money and enjoying your work at the same time are not possible?

 

[Rattler71]

Hey AS214 we're asking for tooo much. RTS might not be able to buy that other horse or another house. Dear god call the union and have them revamp our pay request. We need to work for less not more. Please god don't ask for too much money.

So because we are asking for too much money we're turning people off? Man i wonder if united had that problem. ha haaaa

Oh you might want to tell G200 and GVflyer they are getting too much money.

Not just the money, Some of you guys have made it clear to everyone that you are a special breed, and noone else could do what you do. So that combined with that unrealistic money request, yes, would turn some people off of your quest. And noone ever said you should work for less.

Rattler71

 

[buttercup]

Not just the money, Some of you guys have made it clear to everyone that you are a special breed, and noone else could do what you do. So that combined with that unrealistic money request, yes, would turn some people off of your quest. And noone ever said you should work for less.

Rattler71

You think 150k a year is an unrealistic request to be on the road for half the year. At Netjets on the 7/7 schedule you can work up to 14 hours per day. 14 times 7 =108 times 2=216 hours of work per month.. Oh and by the way that's conservative.. I consider all time away from home work!! I'm sorry if you feel that's unrealistic , but I have some self-worth Kool-Aid I'd like to sell you.

 

[Rattler71]

You think 150k a year is an unrealistic request to be on the road for half the year. At Netjets on the 7/7 schedule you can work up to 14 hours per day. 14 times 7 =108 times 2=216 hours of work per month.. Oh and by the way that's conservative.. I consider all time away from home work!! I'm sorry if you feel that's unrealistic , but I have some self-worth Kool-Aid I'd like to sell you.

Ha you are funny, you think you guys are the only ones who spend time on the road. I am writing this from a hotel room where I have been on the road for 2 weeks and have 2 weeks left to go. boo-hoo

Rattler71

 

[El Chupacabra]

Do you come hear to make friends?

I am all broken up about turning people off. I think I'll ask for less money now....

I don't wanna hurt somebody's feelings.