Strike/Netjets

[PseudoName]

You think NetJet pilots will be replaced by scabs??? Nope, all your flights will be covered by contract vendors who are already doing the majority of your work.

Go ahead, strike, your passengers like having an airplane that is not beat up and a crew that enjoys who they work for.

 

[El Chupacabra]

"Go ahead... make my day."

"Bring it on"

 

[Webslinger]

WoW

Amazing how an old timer in a J-3 cub can throw a little "flame-bait" on this site and everyone bites....comm,n guys, lets not get to excited here. We all know that Netjet pilots are NOT going to strike anytime soon, and regardless of the economy at least we still have a job. Just my .02cents. Keep the blue side up!

 

[El Chupacabra]

The reason we won't strike is that as soon as we are released the company will fold like an oiled beach chair.

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

The reason we won't strike is that as soon as we are released the company will fold like an oiled beach chair.

I completly agree with you that your pay needs to come up.

However, There are a kazillion pilots out there with every concievable Citation type. The 550 and 560 series is to pro pilots, what the 172 is to the private pilot, you can't throw a rock in a pack of pro pilots and not hit somebody with a bunch of PIC time in Citations. Probably 60% of all the non military airline furloughees spent a couple of years in the left seat of a Citation somewhere along their career.

It would hurt Netjets for sure, I doubt it would put them out though. There would be enough anti union bozo's out there to keep a good portion of the fleet flying.

Having said all that. I hope you guys figure out a way to get your payscale up. Between the RJ's and the Fractionals, it's getting tough to keep a decent payscale over on the 121 and part 91 side as well.

 

[Grizz]

Kerosene,

It's unfortunate that you engage in a post without having any comprehension of the reality of the business that we're in. I don't care if NetJets had 2000 willing pilot applicants ready to step up on day 1 of our strike. The transition to a replacement work force always takes time. During that time, the owners would be inconvenienced beyond any ability of NetJets to recover from. That one fact is unacceptable to NetJet's ultimate owner. NetJets may push this right to the brink but they will offer us a contract that is acceptable before we ever take one step on a picket line.

 

[El Chupacabra]

Are there 400 Citation X rated pilots ready to cross the line for $27K?

Grounding that one fleet would be enough. What are the owners of $1.3 Billion worth of Citation X's going to say when they can't fly on the Jets they OWN?

Its much better for everybody if they just pay up. Believe me.


Even PseudoName knows that we can't be replaced with a Scab Air Force. But he mistakenly thinks that a Vendor Fleet could do it.


I wonder how many deliveries of parts etc. will teamster truck drivers bring across a Teamster Picket line. I know that at least some of the Signature's line personnel are Teamsters. Who gonna fuel these jets? I gotta think the Vendor Fleet doing selloffs are not going to get fueled in Boston.

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

Kerosene,

It's unfortunate that you engage in a post without having any comprehension of the reality of the business that we're in. I don't care if NetJets had 2000 willing pilot applicants ready to step up on day 1 of our strike. The transition to a replacement work force always takes time. During that time, the owners would be inconvenienced beyond any ability of NetJets to recover from. That one fact is unacceptable to NetJet's ultimate owner. NetJets may push this right to the brink but they will offer us a contract that is acceptable before we ever take one step on a picket line.

You may be right, However my corporate job has now transitioned to a 135 operator, We already do netjet contract stuff. Somebody would have to check the numbers, but there is probably already enough supplemental lift in place to make any strike difficult to succeed. Your schedules would suffer for sure, but probably not as much as you would hope. NJ owners are like any of the flying public anymore, as long as NJ can get them where they are going, they will still be customers. Many will blame the pilots for the problems and side with the company on an issue like this. Just like customers do on the 121 side.

The average 135 guy does not have the luxury of refusing the work based on union issues. He has no protections from reprocussions from his company.

Like I said, I know how you guys feel, my 737 job was outsourced to RJ's, something that nobody thought could happen a few years back. And my nice Corporate job just went to 24/7 on call.......so of course I am now looking for a new position ASAP. I can tell you that there is no shortage of high time typed corporate drivers out there. I would not take a scab position, but I cannot say the same for a lot of the unemployed pilots out there.

 

[Live4flyng]

You think NetJet pilots will be replaced by scabs??? Nope, all your flights will be covered by contract vendors who are already doing the majority of your work.

Go ahead, strike, your passengers like having an airplane that is not beat up and a crew that enjoys who they work for.

You are misinformed Mr. Vendor. How do figure you are doing the majority of our work? When Netjets gets tired of your services, they will pull the plug so fast you will be applying for a job with them. Don't believe me, check out what they did to Swift. There are former Swift pilots working here as a result of that. Contrary to what you think, our passengers hate when their trips are sold off. In fact, many of them threaten to get out of the program if the company sells off their flight one more time. Do you still enjoy working for Netjets? Enjoy it while it lasts.

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

I wonder how many deliveries of parts etc. will teamster truck drivers bring across a Teamster Picket line. I know that at least some of the Signature's line personnel are Teamsters. Who gonna fuel these jets? I gotta think the Vendor Fleet doing selloffs are not going to get fueled in Boston.

Unions have been bending over on a regular basis for several years now. The old days are gone....believe me, I have seen the unions at my old airline accept stuff that would have been unthinkable just a few years ago.

I am not against you guys by any means. I would love to see people refusing to fuel NJ flights in such a case, I just do not see it happening in todays market.

You are correct that it would be better for them to settle, and I think they probably will. Be prepared if they do not though, They know what the pilot market is right now. And the odds are not on our side. This is probably the weakest position the professional pilot has ever been in. There are guys out there fighting over $15,000 a year RJ jobs.

Have a back up plan ready, some srike money in your savings account just in case.

 

[El Chupacabra]

Vendor Fleet

So a 380 Jet Fleet will sit parked on ramps while they sell off all the trips? How long will this go on?

Also you are wrong if you think the pax want to fly on Chartered lift. They do not. They do complain when this happens and sometimes refuse selloffs.

But 100% selloffs with Billions of $$$ worth of jets sitting on ramps ... that won't paint a very pretty bottom line for the company.

They are better off if they just pay. They know it and we know it.

 

[dime line]

There are guys out there fighting over $15,000 a year RJ jobs.


This is the problem with OUR industry.
Go get em

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

So a 380 Jet Fleet will sit parked on ramps while they sell off all the trips? How long will this go on?

Also you are wrong if you think the pax want to fly on Chartered lift. They do not. They do complain when this happens and sometimes refuse selloffs.

But 100% selloffs with Billions of $$$ worth of jets sitting on ramps ... that won't paint a very pretty bottom line for the company.

They are better off if they just pay. They know it and we know it.

An old airline guy from the hardcore union days once told me.

"The company can always last longer than the average pilot can in a strike situation. They know a strike is possibly coming and they for sure have been stockpiling money for such an event."

His last bit of advice......."As long as you are in the seat, you control the altitude and throttle, and that can be more powerful than any strike....it just takes a bit longer, but you still have the paycheck and customers on your side."

Even a Citation sucks gobs of dino juice at low altitudes.

 

[sdmund]

Just an old Cub Pilot, not trying to start a bash, (but you sure came out swinging and poking didnt you?) but evidently some netjet pilots have large egos.......(sounds like your the one with the complex, i.e. little D$CK)...Ill stick to flying my Cub, (good thinking chuck yeager) im teaching a netjets pilot wife to fly...(oh hear we go with the little D$CK thing again) ..she enjoys all that time her hubby is away from home. (How about you stay at home until you have a clue what you are talking about)

 

[El Chupacabra]

That may be true at an airline.... Airlines can cancel flights.

We have already had days where we exhausted all of our assets plus all the Charter lift available.

Also though some folks don't seem to believe it... our Owners do NOT want to fly on chartered selloffs. I see the notes. DO NOT SELLOFF on the briefing... that comes when a person gets more than his share of selloffs.