Strike in 09 at United is looking real

[Peanut gallery]

Things are getting worse by the day. Tilton and his cohort Pete are not getting the picture. ALPA is at the end of it's resources. The employees simply will not give back anything anymore after the money grab by management, so any interm TA is probably out of the question. The company is not willing to look at any contract amendments from the BK untill they have to.
The fight is brewing faster than ever before, 85 looks like a picnic compared to this impending storm.
Just yesterday I heard a story from the ORD Chief Pilot about a returning pilot from Monday's class resigning after only two days back on the property. The reason was simply that after meeting our upper management and hearing what they had to say he would not work in that environment.

Any returning pilots should keep their foot in the door at whatever they were doing, come to class and get a feel for what is going on before they leave what they are doing now. The pay will not be fixed any time soon, the fleet will only shrink and you better be willing to survive a strike in 09 of probably at least a 3-6 month duration. This place has become nothing more than a less than impressive paycheck.

We need real leadership that can bring back the employees morale ( and our customers ) and make UAL a place where we want to contribute rather than be ashamed of working.

There I feel better now

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

The feeling is the same at NWA.

 

[DAL737FO]

Sorry to be a wet blanket but there is no way any airline of any size is going to be allowed to strike under any administration (Dem or Rep). With recent rulings against unions ability to strike even when their contracts have been thrown out, I doubt management is very scared of that route. I don't think it's right but I think that's the way it's going to be.

 

[munson]

yeah, isnt it illegal to go on strike these days?

 

[Tejas-Jet]

Can't strike unles you go through the process. Got to sit down and negotiate first...then one group or the other requests mediation....then it is really up to the mediator how long the 2 sides keep talking.

If he sees the slightest opening...he will let them continue to negotiate for a loooong time. Sometimes a couple of years.

IF (caps intentional) the mediator decides that progress isn't being made, then and only then will he release both parties into a "30 day cooling off period" during which, super mediation takes place behind the scenes.

Then if nothing happens, ALPA can accept Managements last best offer, or go to binding arbitration ( hint: don't get Nicolau), or go to "self help"...i.e. strike.

In 2007, you are a long way from 2009. A lot can change between now and then. To be talking strike, when there is a legal and binding contract in place is ...well...crazy.

A more logical scenario is....contract amendable date comes up...in 2009 ...both parties exchange openers....negotiations get started.....go for about a year or more....mediation is requested....mediator gets them going for another year or so ( we're now into 2011, for those of you keeping track)...a year later ( 2012)...you could be released into a "30 day cooling off".

And...who knows...at any point, you might just have a contract and not eat up all that time.

But top be talking strike already?....sheesh....where do some people think up such stuff......?

 

[Newjetjockey]

Does the contract open in 09? If so, the earliest we would see a strike would be 2011 or 2012. Good luck.

 

[Going2Baja]

Then if nothing happens, ALPA can accept Managements last best offer, or go to binding arbitration ( hint: don't get Nicolau), or go to "self help"...i.e. strike.

Look out for Kasher as well. I don't think there is a pilot at Alaska that thinks we will get a contract before 2009 especially when the company is talking in 2009 economics - Go figure. Why settle anything now when they can delay and keep paying the crappy wages they have in the current contract?

The entire industry just sucks right now. I'm suggesting a National "Call in sick day during the 4th of July holiday." Any takers? ALPA can't support officially due to the rules they operate under, but I think this would give the industry and the public a wakeup call!!

Baja.

 

[AA717driver]

SOS. I know a lot of the carriers wouldn't participate (non-legacy and Delta) but enough is enough. TC

 

[Peanut gallery]

That thought is even worse

Sorry to be a wet blanket but there is no way any airline of any size is going to be allowed to strike under any administration (Dem or Rep). With recent rulings against unions ability to strike even when their contracts have been thrown out, I doubt management is very scared of that route. I don't think it's right but I think that's the way it's going to be.

If it would take that long then the present package would stay this way even longer. The present rate of compensation and QOL is unsustainable for that long. There will be no UAL because the employee group will be so miserable that we will chase every real customer away. There will be few 1k's and up that will put up with this nonsense.

 

[ultrarunner]

DAL737FO hit the nail on the head. The PEB will prevent ANY labor group at ANY large legacy carrier from striking. Simple as that.

It's just not a power that an airline union has.

Good luck

 

[Tejas-Jet]

Guys...Guys...Guys....OMG...OMG....<I'm out of breath>....PARIS IS OUT OF JAIL !!!!

Forget all this union stuff boys....

Remember she had a 45 day sentence reduced to 23 days.....and due to medical issues, has been taken out of jail....she will now be under house arrest for 40 days with an ankle bracelet !!!

How much you wanna bet that ankle bracelet will have some type of charms attached to it by this evening....?

 

[pilotyip]

See this stuff runs in 10 year cycles, wasn't the same thing being said in 1999. Hiring peaks in years ending in 8, hiring bottoms in years ending in 3

 

[Yuppyguppy]

Peanut Gallery...please resign thank you. If you are so weak and can't take on these a$$holes and develop a sense of team with the other employees to fight these morons then you should leave. A strike is not the answer there are plenty of other answers out there. I personally will be here taking all the torpedos the ship can but I'll make damn sure that those jackoffs at 77 wacker (the United building) will be going down with it if that has to be the case. Besides it's 2007 relax.

 

[Tejas-Jet]

The fight is brewing faster than ever before, 85 looks like a picnic compared to this impending storm.--->Fight all you want, but remember....you have a legal, binding contract that is amendable in 2009...note I used the word "amendable"....so it doesn't expire.

you better be willing to survive a strike in 09 of probably at least a 3-6 month duration. This place has become nothing more than a less than impressive paycheck--->A strike of 3-6 months will most certainly put UAL right back into Chapter 11 Bankruptcy....and maybe even chapter 7 Liquidation.....how many pilots you got willing to walk with you?...and do this bankruptcy thing again?

A strike of 3-6 weeks....maybe. 3-6 months...UAL is gone.

We need real leadership that can bring back the employees morale make UAL a place where we want to contribute--->Whats keeping you from stepping up to the plate?

 

[pilotyip]

tejas, this is a pilot board, stop dealing in reality.

 

[Deuce130]

The fight is brewing faster than ever before, 85 looks like a picnic compared to this impending storm.--->Fight all you want, but remember....you have a legal, binding contract that is amendable in 2009...note I used the word "amendable"....so it doesn't expire.

you better be willing to survive a strike in 09 of probably at least a 3-6 month duration. This place has become nothing more than a less than impressive paycheck--->A strike of 3-6 months will most certainly put UAL right back into Chapter 11 Bankruptcy....and maybe even chapter 7 Liquidation.....how many pilots you got willing to walk with you?...and do this bankruptcy thing again?

A strike of 3-6 weeks....maybe. 3-6 months...UAL is gone.

We need real leadership that can bring back the employees morale make UAL a place where we want to contribute--->Whats keeping you from stepping up to the plate?

Spoken like a true management tool. "Please, sir, may I have some more?" Please, keep paying me 50$ an hour, please take my retirement, please jack up my health care premium, please make me work 25 days a month, please make me buy all of my own uniforms (just let me wear a hat in the terminal and I'll be happy), please put me in crappy hotels, please make my life suck more. Just let me keep flying! I'll do whatever you want! Management is counting on you to feel that way.

No way in he** would I let my kids be pilots these days. As long as there's people out there willing to fly for peanuts, the industry will never get back to what it was. It's probably too late for those currently flying, but the least you can do is spare the next generation of kids from making the mistake of flying for a "major" airline. I would, however, encourage my kids to get degrees in accounting or business and work the management side - they'll be rich someday.

 

[Flopgut]

We need to get ourselves out of the collective bargaining mindset. We all have a contract we have to abide by so let's work on other things. AND let's get further outside the box than just retirement age, BTW.

We need the same retirement plan the railroad has. rrb.gov Our situation is so exactly like what brought about this program for rail it is amazing. I've talked to National and we came close to pushing for this about twenty years ago. ALPAs elite gave up on it then, and we'll have a hard time pushing it now because JP acts like a fool and doesn't care about anything but age 65. But, we'd do well to get JP's fat butt in gear and start working on something that could help us all, and this is a pretty good idea.

Read Art of War. (I promise your CEO has) The collective bargaining process is currently on what is called "death ground". That is where our mgts want it, and us, to stay. We have to get off of it. The books instructions for us to proceed is to "steal something precious to the enemy". Most precious to the "enemy" in this scenario is their ability to continue to deny and take from us financial increase and stability. If we somehow gain a retirement program backstop then we will have taken something most precious to them. Then collective bargaining can resume.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

SOS. I know a lot of the carriers wouldn't participate (non-legacy and Delta) but enough is enough. TC

Enough is Enough? Wasn't that the slogan at the May 17 rally in DC? Oh yeah only 100 pilots showed up and most of them where active ALPA Officers and Committee Chairmen.

SOS.... yeah right.... non legacy and Delta won't particpate? You're kidding yourself... no one will particpate. The only thing it will do is cause terminations and representation overload for a bout 60 days. You can't even get guys to show up to a legal event with free lunch and T-Shirts....

You SOS guys really make me laugh. All bark and no bite.... and even your bark is a moniker....

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Spoken like a true management tool. "Please, sir, may I have some more?" Please, keep paying me 50$ an hour, please take my retirement, please jack up my health care premium, please make me work 25 days a month, please make me buy all of my own uniforms (just let me wear a hat in the terminal and I'll be happy), please put me in crappy hotels, please make my life suck more. Just let me keep flying! I'll do whatever you want! Management is counting on you to feel that way.

No spoken like a pragmatic realist. If you want to conduct political and career suicide.. go right ahead. Stop watching the Matrix.

No way in he** would I let my kids be pilots these days. As long as there's people out there willing to fly for peanuts, the industry will never get back to what it was. It's probably too late for those currently flying, but the least you can do is spare the next generation of kids from making the mistake of flying for a "major" airline. I would, however, encourage my kids to get degrees in accounting or business and work the management side - they'll be rich someday.

So you want to fly to your next vacation with third world pilots flown into the the US for thier 5 day trip? If you don't start defending this profession it won't be a profession. It will be a illegal immigrant job.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

When is Tilton's contract up? When is his last day of work and does he care about the day after?