Spirit TA

[Skyboy722]

Soo, awfully quiet. What do you guys think? Does it meet your expectations?

 

[boomlrd]

Hell no! VOTE NO!

 

[johnsonrod]

Anyone who votes YES for this TA is a SERIOUS LOSER. Bottom line: it sucks dudes... Living in FL ain't cheap. Tell Baldanza to shove it!

 

[critterair2]

I would love to get this thing done, we are all tired and worn out from this process. MEC even more so....That being said I am sorry to report that its going to be a big fat f"n NO!for me. Made up my mind about 10 mins ago. Went back and forth since this thing was released but I just can't do it.....I mean why is Health Insurance rates, copay's etc even in this thing. Does any other pilot group have this in theirs? It looks like a way for us to give money back and that is all.

 

[Redhot99]

I would have to vote no on the scope clause alone. Someone brought it to my attention that it is written very poorly. The company can dry lease our airplanes out and than enter into a code share or pro rate agreement. There is no seat limit so those A330's they had the option for can go right to another carrier like Air Lingus. We will end up just like Midwest, they had a code share with Republic. Pay rates won't matter at that point.

 

[Hamburger]

Thanks, for the "we suck" speech, and for your unwavering support.

Take a breath, brother...Nobody said that you suck or we don't support Spirit. I said that if you have complaints/issues, they are with the elected members of YOUR pilot group, not ALPA.

People love to bash ALPA because they feel wronged by their local representation, and it just gets old.

Of the United States? No.

Of the HOA? Yes, my assessment last year went to fix the pot holes.

Well put. ALPA is the United States, your MEC is your HOA.
Best of luck.

 

[Splert]

I would love to get this thing done, we are all tired and worn out from this process. MEC even more so....That being said I am sorry to report that its going to be a big fat f"n NO!for me. Made up my mind about 10 mins ago. Went back and forth since this thing was released but I just can't do it.....I mean why is Health Insurance rates, copay's etc even in this thing. Does any other pilot group have this in theirs? It looks like a way for us to give money back and that is all.

Yes lots of contract contain co-pays etc. It is a good thing!

 

[critterair2]

Good thing maybe, but this part scares me...any lawyer types out there can explain this one, since my union hasn't

Effective January 1, 2011, and each January 1​

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st thereafter, pilot monthly medical/dental
insurance contribution rates may be subject to an annual increase equal to the lesser of:​

1) the company-projected increase in the cost of the plan, and 2) seven percent (7%).

 

[critterair2]

wish it said OR 7 percent

 

[PCL_128]

wish it said OR 7 percent

That's exactly what it means. It's the "lessor of" two things, so "and" works just fine. The end result is that your insurance can't go up by more than 7% per year, which is excellent, since the company's costs are likely going up by 20%.

 

[Splert]

Good thing maybe, but this part scares me...any lawyer types out there can explain this one, since my union hasn't

Effective January 1, 2011, and each January 1​

st thereafter, pilot monthly medical/dental
insurance contribution rates may be subject to an annual increase equal to the lesser of:​

1) the company-projected increase in the cost of the plan, and 2) seven percent (7%).

Your deductible and co-pays and max out of pocket are part of your CBA.

That is a good thing. Not maybe but 100% a good thing.

Without that your rates could go up 7% and your deductible could double while co-pays go up 50%.

Or your airline could terminate the entire plan and go with a high deductible medical plan.

 

[boomlrd]

Our previous CBA locked in all health care costs, including copays and deductibles, they could not be raised period, now this CBA allows them to raise it, not good!

 

[27 driver]

Boom, I am sensing a NO vote coming from you. Don't hold back. Lets us know how you really feel.

 

[CosmoKramer]

absolutely NO way will I vote for this thing.....Still 25 below jblu and trs.....nice try....the signing bonus is a joke....they made money off my back with almost 4 years of bad faith bargaining......A yes vote let's them and everyone else know they won......

If you plan on voting yes, don't complain to me when this place grows and goes public and you see how your peers are paid....They are even spinning the reserve section....there will be immediate furloughs and downgrades because of the changes. If your in the bottom 20 percent, plan on having some time off. I thought the whole reason for this strike was for pay parity...we did not get.....

 

[lostplnetairman]

Our previous CBA locked in all health care costs, including copays and deductibles, they could not be raised period, now this CBA allows them to raise it, not good!

As I recall, that's not true. The previous CBA was as this one is, except the limit was at 10%. Then the company tried to increase costs of insurance plus increase cost sharing. The union called them on it and won. That's why generic co-pays went from $10 to $11, why office visits went from $15 to $16 and then to $17. That's why the deductible went from $250 to $275, etc.

This is the same as the current contract, except the limit is reduced to 7%. Plus the provisions of health care reform will kick in as the plan is no longer grandfathered--meaning no cost sharing on preventative care, limits on annual and lifetime maximums, etc.