Spirit TA

[Dizel8]

Not really. It takes time to get the MEC together for a meeting in which they can vote on the agreement. It wouldn't be appropriate to release information about a TA until the MEC has had a chance to read it thoroughly and vote on whether it will go out to the pilots for a vote.

In this day and age, I disagree.

It would take about an hour to apprise the MEC to the significant changes, I mean it isn't like they are out playing golf and unreachable.

Hence I certainly wouldn't return to work unless the MEC had shown that the major issues had been solved, ie the four days off between trips, pay rates up to par, etc.

Someone else on this BB talked about the Comair strike and they stood tall until they saw the appropriate changes.

My hat is off to the Spirit pilots, they are continuing the tradition of standing tall when shiite hits the fan, I am just surprised they are called back to work without the benefits of the highlights!

 

[Dizel8]

Even if the MEC puts out a summary of the TA and says return to work, without a ratification vote it's difficult to know how the majority of the pilots feel about the TA. So if some want to stay out, but others want to fly, then don't you have a real mess on your hands?

I would think the MEC could put out a presentation showing the highlights in short order, hence saying essentially the sticking points has been solved

But you know what, I am not the one striking, so realistically i should keep my mouth shut, so I will.

My sincerest thank to the Spirit pilots for standing together, may you get what you truly deserve!

 

[Mike man]

They gave raises to people who don't exist on the seniority list...senior F/O's and Junior CA's...way to go!

 

[boomlrd]

Actually we have a few non-upgradable FO's that will be happy about the new rates.

 

[Mike man]

both of them will be so happy...great job MEC

 

[acpilot]

Do I understand this correctly?

They haven't seen the new contract, they have no real assurance that it will be a better contract, and they're going back to work. What am I missing?

IF (IF) this is the case, are they agreeing to work so the company won't go TU? Based on what I'm reading here, it seems like mgmt is putting up more of a fight than anyone anticipated.

 

[FLYBOYMATTHEW]

They gave raises to people who don't exist on the seniority list...senior F/O's and Junior CA's...way to go!

Will you be able to argue this point definitively 5 years from now? If we grow, and grow quickly, you just might be a junior CA here in the not-to-distant future. If we hit a bump in the road and don't grow, you could be a fairly senior FO by the end of this agreement. Just ask the 8 year FOs here now. When the last contract was drafted in 2003, the FO pay scales were tailored to the assumption that everybody would upgrade in 2 or 3 years. That obviously didn't pan out, and as a result, our 7 and 8 year FOs have had to live with substandard wages for the last 4 or 5 years. What's wrong with having a payscale that covers a variety of scenarios?

Where does this demand for instant gratification come from anyway? The majority of the guys and girls flying here have probably been flying with an amendable contract for longer than you've even been with the airline. We've all anxiously waited for this process to play out, and eventually swing in our favor so we could have an opportunity to make improvements to the compensation package and quality of life standards of all of our pilots. This is a marathon my friend, not a sprint.

I personally don't need to see the hilights now. In fact, I would rather not be biased by what someone else considers to be the hilights. I would rather it has adequate time for process, then see the finished product in it's entirety so I can formulate my own, unbiased opinion of its merits, or lack therof. We'll each get a vote, and majority will rule. If it passes...great, maybe we can get back to some semblance of normalcy around here. If not...I'll see you back on the picket line.

 

[Mike man]

...maybe we can get back to some semblance of normalcy around here.

With what they are doing to the FA's right now, this crappy airline will never be normal.

...you just might be a junior CA here in the not-to-distant future.

Nice carrot to dangle...you must be friends with Ben.

Where does this demand for instant gratification come from anyway?

Oh, I don't know...everything the MEC and ALPA national has said the last few years???

 

[WayBack]

Hope deal works for all, but if not remember that when we at Comair were on strike we voted down 2 offers and stayed on strike before we got a deal. Even though still wasnt that great, but got little better each time. Hoping you folks dont have to go any further.

A low life regional knew how to do it. They had the brass to stay on strike.
Spirits MEC sold you guys down the river in a deflating raft. ALPA, Live to Fight Another Day! because ALPA is a bunch of spineless twits, like PFT_128.

 

[Mike man]

A low life regional knew how to do it. They had the brass to stay on strike.
Spirits MEC sold you guys down the river in a deflating raft. ALPA, Live to Fight Another Day! because ALPA is a bunch of spineless twits, like PFT_128.

of course Comair had some company scabs...how many did Spirit have was it ZERO company scabs?

 

[WayBack]

of course Comair had some company scabs...how many did Spirit have was it ZERO company scabs?

Ok, and they didn't go back to work until they voted on a TA.
Spirit MEC pulled the wool over the pilot groups eyes and conned them back to work.
More bantering and show boating for ALPA.
I was impressed, I never thought it would get to a strike. Just some informational picketing photo ops to fill the magazine with.
Well, I guess the editor in chief needed to redeem himself after Tim Martins, so they pushed it to a strike, took pictures all week long. When they got what they wanted for the magazine, they called a wrap. Not to mention their airtime on all the major news outlets.

 

[Hamburger]

Allegiant is making $153 per hour as CA of a MD-80. Without Union.

Spirit is making $??? per hour as CA of A-321/320/319. With ALPA.

The Spirit guys will get what THEY (not ALPA) negotiate.

ALPA provides the tools, but the pilot group has to build the house.

Saying ALPA is failing you is like faulting Home Depot for not mowing your lawn.

 

[WayBack]

The Spirit guys will get what THEY (not ALPA) negotiate.

ALPA provides the tools, but the pilot group has to build the house.

Saying ALPA is failing you is like faulting Home Depot for not mowing your lawn.

Then ALPA should be charged with false advertisement, and horrible mustaches.

 

[:-)]

Hey Gearthrower, publish the package bro. Your letting victory slip through your fingers.

Note to Mi Cox and Boomyrd. You can't get to parity when your 4 days off language is an outlier. Hourly pay parity and guaranteed days off in a row can't be reconcilled. I will wait til I see the whole package, and then flame it if necessary.

 

[FLYBOYMATTHEW]

Didn't Comair have the deep pockets of daddy Delta supporting them for 89 days as they were bleeding red ink? Get realistic...the goal is to have a job to come back to...a better job than the one we walked off.

 

[vtwo]

Amen Mike, fast upgrades are not happening so the FO's need to get what they are due!!!!!!!! We have a contract here at the Tranny that F'ed the FO's.

You are due Nothing!!!!
You get what you Accept.

I hope it is what you want.
Good Luck

 

[Hamburger]

Then ALPA should be charged with false advertisement, and horrible mustaches.

I'll give you the mustaches..............ugh.


Did ALPA at some time promise you that your own pilot group would not hold the reigns, power, and be in charge of their own destiny?

Were you told at some time that the members of your pilot group would be completely powerless and be forced subjects to the powers on high at Herndon?

Did Herndon send a delegation to negotiate your contract, or was it your own pilot group that did it?

Did your pilot group get to vote on the contract that your pilot group negotiated, or did Herndon just force you to accept something that your pilot group had no say in whatsoever?

Do you blame the President for potholes on your street?

 

[Mike man]

Did your pilot group get to vote on the contract that your pilot group negotiated, or did Herndon just force you to accept something that your pilot group had no say in whatsoever?

Thanks, for the "we suck" speech, and for your unwavering support. But the simple fact of the matter is that we have not seen or heard anything from the MEC or Negotiators at all, ZERO, ZILCH, NADA. It has been one week now, and they just updated the VARS. Did I mention how little we know about this TA? We don't even have highlights (which I am afraid they will be low lights) of the gains/losses or pay scales.

Do you blame the President for potholes on your street?

Which president?

Of the United States? No.

Of the HOA? Yes, my assessment last year went to fix the pot holes.

 

[27 driver]

You are due Nothing!!!!
You get what you Accept.

I hope it is what you want.
Good Luck

Not exactly sure what you mean but any TA that comes out with the explanation don't worry, you will only be an FO for 2 years will get a no vote. Anything less than 65 to 67% of Capt's pay will get a no vote and the Capt's better get a fat raise. I will Accept nothing less than what a professional pilot is worth.

 

[boomlrd]

Spirit TA here:
https://crewroom.alpa.org/SPAMEC/Portals/514/Draft-Full Contract.pdf